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Title: Cumulative Phase and PhaseNoise Post by cheap_salary on Jul 13th, 2014, 12:05am I have two questions about PSD calculation of phase noise in LISTING-17 at page-46 in the following. http://www.designers-guide.org/Analysis/PLLnoise+jitter.pdf Quote:
(1) Why do you apply above "phases" for evaluating PSD of phase noise ? http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1066269978/1#1 If we use the above "phases", result of phase noise can not be consistent for completely clean signal. For evaluating phase noise, I think phases has to be : phases=2*pi*cumsum(periods-T) / T; The following is same as my opinion. http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196964298/6#6 Quote:
(2) Why is a unit of Sphi (dB/Hz) ? Has it to be (dB/nbw) ? Here "nbw" is a normalized Noise Bandwidth defined as following. nbw = rbw * T |
Title: Re: Cumulative Phase and PhaseNoise Post by cheap_salary on May 25th, 2015, 8:52am If we evaluate Sphi by "phases=2*pi*cumsum(periods)/T", it gives "cyan curve". On the other hand, if we evaluate Sphi by "phases=2*pi*cumsum(periods-T)/T", it gives "green curve". Do you think which result is reasonable ? Of course, green curve is reasonable. This is a reason why I think that phases has to be "phases=2*pi*cumsum(periods-T) / T". Currently pwelch() is recommended for Welch's method of estimation rather than psd(). Quote:
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Title: Re: Cumulative Phase and PhaseNoise Post by cheap_salary on May 25th, 2015, 9:04am http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/100251-what-is-the-difference-between-the-functions-psd-and-pwelch Quote:
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We can see 3dB difference between them, since pwelch() returns a single sided spectrum by default (for real signals). I don't know why they give far different result for very low frequency. |
Title: Re: Cumulative Phase and PhaseNoise Post by designer_dude on Jul 27th, 2016, 5:49pm Hi, You need to substract out the nominal period for every period you use. Consider 0 noise clock signal. If you don't substract the nominal period out, the phase will be 0, 2pi, 4pi.... to infinity, A phase noise plot would have infinite DC component for an ideal, clock. THis is obviously wrong. |
Title: Re: Cumulative Phase and PhaseNoise Post by cheap_salary on Jul 27th, 2016, 6:54pm designer_dude wrote on Jul 27th, 2016, 5:49pm:
Surely read a start description of this thread. |
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