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 Title: Spectrum of an oscillator with phase noise Post by iVenky on Feb 6th, 2019, 8:30am We can represent oscillator asy(t)= A cos (wt + Φ(t)), where Φ(t) is phase noise.If Φ(t)=cos(wnt)  then, we can show using Narrowband approximation thaty(t)≈ A cos (wt) + A sin (wt) sin ( wnt) Which one of the figures attached (a or b) is the actual spectrum of the oscillator?I used to think it's (b) and the entire carrier power is spread throughout, but I can't explain it mathematically. Only (a) makes sense mathematically since we have a carrier term (highlighted above) and then a phase noise term.Question 2:Also when we measure SSB phase noise it's overlaying both left and right of the carrier, resulting in 3 dB more phase noise compared to DSB phase noise, right? In the plot (a), the dBc that I am plotting is DSB phase noise, which is 3 dB lower compared to SSB phase noise, right?

 Title: Re: Spectrum of an oscillator with phase noise Post by Ken Kundert on Feb 7th, 2019, 2:47pm It's b.The narrow band approximation does not work with oscillator phase noise. Fundamentally the narrow band approximation is a small-signal approximation, it assumes Φ(t) is small. But in oscillator phase noise, Φ(t) is unbounded over long time intervals. It is this unbounded nature that leads to the Lorenzian distribution.Also, when you plot S(f), you should distinguish between SΦ or SV.-Ken

 Title: Re: Spectrum of an oscillator with phase noise Post by iVenky on Feb 9th, 2019, 7:04pm Hi Ken,Thanks for the reply, I got it now. I was plotting Sv, I understand S_phi goes to infinity due to flicker but not Sv.