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simulating transistor fT
Sep 17th, 2007, 11:59pm
 
Hi,

I am wondering how one could extract the "fT" parameter from DC analysis. Normally, one can use OP in the Calculator
in Spectre and get "gm", "gmoverid" etc., but not "fT". Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2007, 2:23am
 
Hi,
I think that it must be done via formula extracted from the parameters:

ωT=gm/Cgs

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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2007, 2:37am
 
Hi,

The problem is getting the correct value of CGS. I don't think that is easy to get it directly from the
calculator using the OP option when using Spectre with the BSIM3 model. How do you do it?

The CGS parameter in the list is not the actual CGS of the transistor when using BSIM3.

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Re: simulating transistor fT
Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2007, 6:03am
 
Hi Vivek,
Usually I use only aproximations and then I do the fine tunning, if you want to do the correct calculation of ft I think you should go to the definition:frequency at which current gain it's zero, I did this simulation in the past using the parameter h21 but not in spectre(I used ATLAS for modelling a device) but if I remeber right sp analysis of spectreRF calculates hybrid parameters as well(I cannot check right now because our license server is down...), another possibility I suppose will be to calculate the Cgs using calculation taking into account gate channel and overlap capacitances but I then you should dig into geometrical parameters of transistor that I don't know if can be accesed directly using op of dc analysis.
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