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temperature independent current source
Aug 01st, 2011, 6:07pm
 
Is there a simple way to generate a temperature independent current source from a bandgap voltage and/or PTAT current source?

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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2011, 11:15pm
 
I don't know what kind of precision you need, but a crude ZTAT is just a MOST biased at ZTAT point.
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Reply #2 - Aug 2nd, 2011, 3:55am
 
yes precision requirement is all important... but options include:

1) if you already have flat bandgap voltage over temperature,  you can use a simple V to I converter.
2) add PTAT current to CTAT current in the right proportions
PTAT current is usually delta-vbe, and CTAT current is vbe with V to I converter

both cases are made easy and flat temp over temperature if you have a zero temp coefficent resistor available to you.... if you don't then it comes back to the question of precision requirement....
often the requirement may not just be vs temp.... bear in mind you can get good zero temp coefficient current, but absolute accuracy over process and mismatch etc. can vary alot and will need more techniques or an external resistor.
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Reply #3 - Aug 2nd, 2011, 6:07am
 
one idea to get zero (ish) Temp Co resistor is to use a positive TC resistor and negative TC resistor together in the right ratio.

I have not tried this, but in theory it should work.

Has anyone actually done this ?
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Reply #4 - Aug 2nd, 2011, 11:36am
 
I've seen this done two different ways:

ZTAT (as Alexandar mentioned) - weak NMOS biased with a scaled version of BGVREF at the zero tempco point -- you'll need process trimming of the gate voltage and device width as both change with process with a fixed current target.

I've also seen NMOS with fixed gate bias in series with an nwell degeneration resistor on the source side -- basic idea is to cancel first-order Vth tempco -- I haven't actually designed one of these myself.
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2011, 3:16am
 
harpoon wrote on Aug 2nd, 2011, 6:07am:
one idea to get zero (ish) Temp Co resistor is to use a positive TC resistor and negative TC resistor together in the right ratio.
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Has anyone actually done this ?
We have. TC depends on tech corner, of course; remaining TC depends on your process. You may also have to center your design according to silicon data.

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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2011, 8:53am
 
Hi ACWWong,

I am looking for an accuracy of under +-3% over -40 to 85C. The CTAT+PTAT approach you suggested works very well for this - the only issue that I found was that while the current itself meets the accuracy requirements over temperature, it changes over process corners (as you suggested), something that is easily fixed with some trimming.

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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2011, 8:54am
 
Hi Alexander, Harpoon and AnalogDE,

Thanks for you suggestions. I will check them out.
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2011, 7:11am
 
an alternative - a good band gap reference, a V to I converter circuit that uses an external reference resistor, and is offset compensated (think choppers)

No trimming. Dead accurate. As flat thermally as your BG is.
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