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A charge pump circuit
Nov 14th, 2012, 6:45am
 
Hello everyone,
I found a charge pump topology as shown below.
    The control voltage of VCO is provided by the right-hand-side branch, instead of the left-hand-side. Have you seen this circuitry before? What is it called? I want to do some research on this.
    Furthermore, I think the capacitor C1 still affects the bandwidth of the PLL, even though it is not in the loop directly. Is that right?

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Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2012, 7:13am
 
hello,
this ckt is wrong. Please find the attached ckt. C1 Has nothing to do with BW, it is just to solve charge injection problem, in principle it is not required.
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2012, 7:25am
 
Hello Raj,
Thanks for your quick reply.
The ckt in your reply is a classical current steering charge pump.
But why do you think my ckt is wrong?
In my opinion,  the current charging to/discharging from (right branch) the loop filter can represent the phase error all the same.

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Reply #3 - Nov 14th, 2012, 7:45am
 
hello,
Yes in principle your concept doesn't work.
If Up switch turns on C1 connected across bottom current source and at node x no current will flow into loop filter. So no change in the Vctl.

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Reply #4 - Nov 14th, 2012, 4:02pm
 
the circuit Raj shows is much more common and probably will work better.
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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2012, 1:55am
 
loose-electron wrote on Nov 14th, 2012, 4:02pm:
the circuit Raj shows is much more common and probably will work better.


I agree, but isn't it patented?
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2012, 2:51am
 
Hello lex,
i guess it is not a patent, in 99% of products you see this circuit. I personally designed around 3 commercial circuits with the same charge pump some minor modification for matching.

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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2012, 6:14am
 
Hello raj,
I forgot putting a bias circuit on the ckt. Sorry for my carelessness. The ckt is renew as the attachment. Please check it.

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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2012, 6:21am
 
Dear Yutao Liu ,
Problem is not on that side, in fact without bias it would have been better, but problem is other side(loop filter side)

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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2012, 7:30am
 
raja.cedt wrote on Nov 15th, 2012, 2:51am:
Hello lex,
i guess it is not a patent, in 99% of products you see this circuit. I personally designed around 3 commercial circuits with the same charge pump some minor modification for matching.

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Raj,
It looks like the circuit described in: http://www.google.com/patents/US5825640 (figure 7 on page 4 of the PDF)
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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2012, 8:31pm
 
that's my definition of a patent that will never stand up in court.

the charge pump in the patent was in wide use 10 years or more prior to the patent.
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Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2012, 1:52am
 
Hey Jerry,

To be honest I've seen this circuit a few times as well, but I wondered why a company such as Patexia would offer $ 5000 for prior art? Any clue?
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