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Title: Signal detector design Post by always@smart on Jun 1st, 2006, 5:55am Dear all, I need to design a Signal detector which detecting the signal swing(Common mode Input =1.2V, Minimum Swing=100mV, Speed=1.25Gbps, Total current consumption <=20uA), can someone suggest me a good idea? Thanks in advance Rgd, Smart |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by mikki33 on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:56am You may use multipliers: 1. making v^2 of input signal and taking it to the LPF (envelope detector). 2. making Vref^2. 3. Compare these 2 outputs in comparator, output is signal detect. |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by ACWWong on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:25am the common-emitter (common-source) of a long tail pair will give you a rectified version of the input which you can compare in a comparator... ie typically how RSSI stages are done. |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by always@smart on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:31am mikki33 wrote on Jun 1st, 2006, 7:56am:
Dear Mikki33, Thanks for ur reply. What kind of multiplier do you mean? Please refer me some material. How much the total current consumption u will estimate for the design you mentioned? v^2 of input signal and Vref^2 Do you mean squaring the voltage? Regards Smart |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by always@smart on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:45am ACWWong wrote on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:25am:
Thanks ACWWong, can you please describe in more detail: the common-emitter (common-source) of a long tail pair will give you a rectified version of the input Is it a peak detector, which a long tail paraller with a cap to abstract the peak here? But how can it mentain the same peak with PVT change of the input NMOS pair? Regards, Smart |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by mikki33 on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:12am Yes, indeed, it is squaring the voltage. You are taking a multiplier and feed into its 2 inputs the same input signal and get square of it at the output. For multiplier you may use kind of Gilbert cell. I am not at the office rigt now, when I'll be back I'll check the exact references. Meanwhile you may search in the internet "squaring circuit" and "analog multiplier". About current consumption I have no idea. It depends on the process and voltage. If you have 0.13 with low Vt and 1.2 V supply it will be much better then 0.35 with 3.3 V supply. On 0.13 such a circuits may work up to 10 G. Have a nice weekend, Michael |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by ACWWong on Jun 1st, 2006, 3:35pm always@smart wrote on Jun 1st, 2006, 8:45am:
Basically I mean you use the full wave recified signal at the common-source node of NMOS pair (at the current source drain), feed that into a comparator to get an input signal dependant current output, which is then summed in cap, and compared with a reference voltage. But as you said to guarantee the 100mV input signal trip point accurately is tricky over PVT (The last time I designed something like this, i used some TRIM bits and a calibration routine...) Anyway another way as mikki has suggested in the multplier apprach, but I would also try the unbalanced source coupled pair rectifying transconductor as used by the references below: http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/~sharmav/bluetooth/PowerAmp.pdf p19 has the unbalanced source soupled pair approach p18 has the multiplier appraoch. A CMOS logarithmic IF amplifier with unbalanced source-coupled pairs Kimura, K.; Solid-State Circuits, IEEE Journal of , Volume: 28 Issue: 1 , Jan. 1993 A 450MHz CMOS RF Power Detector: Stacy Ho. RFIC symposium 2001. Finally may I add accurate signal level detection @1.25Gbps @ <20uA sounds VERY tough... even in super fast 0.13um CMOS..... |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by always@smart on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:30pm Thanks ACWWong and mikki33, The design you both suggest is indeed a good idea. I more worry on the total current consumption, both Gilbert cell and unbalanced source soupled pair approach is hard to be achieved within 20uA (even excluding comparator) @ 1.25Gbps (vdd=3.0~3.6, 0.18um process) I may focus on the simplest rectifier (with a NMOS pair input, tail with large RC) and output feed to comparator with hysterisis. Does anyone has idea how to compensate the PVT variation for the rectifier i have mention above without external trimming component? regards, smart |
Title: Re: Signal detector design Post by mikki33 on Jun 2nd, 2006, 1:40am always@smart wrote on Jun 1st, 2006, 10:30pm:
Band gap and PTAT... But this is not a good idea... Gilbert cell itself will also not suit. 3 transistors in series will not work good. What I thought was a cell like Gilbert, which for sure work good with 1.8 supply, somthing like the cell below. You can easily develop analitical expressions and choose sizing. Michael |
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