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Message started by juzi on Sep 13^th, 2006, 8:44pm

Title: the problems for design a RF PA
Post by juzi on Sep 13^th, 2006, 8:44pm

I wanna to design a 2.4GHz CMOS PA on chip, now I have the TSMC 0.35um SiGe BICMOS model,
the RF MOSFET Vbox=0.75V.
when the input voltage bigger than 1V, the parasitical diode between the source and the bulk is forward based, and the SiO2 is breakdown .
Vbox=0.75V is because the tox is only 7.35nm, but if the tox is increasing, the fT of the MOSFET will be decreasing, which is unacceptable for a 2.4G circuit!!!
can someone give me any advise?

Title: Re: the problems for design a RF PA
Post by ACWWong on Sep 14^th, 2006, 4:18am

juzi wrote on Sep 13^th, 2006, 8:44pm:

Hi,
Firstly I don't see how you are forward biasing the source bulk diode. If its NMOS then the bulk is at ground. The source would need to go negative of ground for forward bias (in which case you are doing a very strange PA). If its PMOS then the you might suffer DRAIN to bulk diode forward bias due to over voltage swing on the drain. Is this what you mean ?
Secondly tox=7.35nm is thick, so Vbox should be a few volts. Can't see how it is only 0.75V. Maybe some mistake in the kit.
I am using tox ~2nm and Vbox > 1.5V in a digital CMOS process (so SiO2).

cheers

aw

Title: Re: the problems for design a RF PA
Post by juzi on Oct 12^th, 2006, 8:58am

oh, the Vbox=7.35V. It's too late today,I will post some pictures tomorrow.

Title: Re: the problems for design a RF PA
Post by juzi on Oct 17^th, 2006, 7:20am

I draw a subcircuit of the mosfet in the accessories. during the PSS, if the input voltage is more than 1V, there will be the warning:the SB jonction diode of mi is forward biased at some moment.

Title: Re: the problems for design a RF PA
Post by dragonnj on Oct 26^th, 2006, 7:37pm

Maybe I met the same problem like you. Try to decrease the value of input port's amplitude(dBm), not the AC magnitude.

When I use PSS to sim P1dB, first I set the sweeping variable prf from -20 to 20, then PSS warning me the biopolar is game over. After I decrease the prf from -50 to 0, everything is OK.

Hope it is help to you.