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Title: which one is correct for miller equivalent Post by dandelion on Jan 31st, 2007, 5:53pm Hi, This question is about the miller equivalent. Pls. see the attached two digrams. The C1,C2 is the miller equivalent of C for the 1st amp, while C3 and C4 is the miller equivalent of C for the 2nd amp. I wonder which one is correct for the two diagrams? The cap C can be miller equivalented simultaneously for the two ampifiers? Thanks |
Title: Re: which one is correct for miller equivalent Post by mg777 on Feb 1st, 2007, 8:58pm You've got positive feedback for either sign of A, so I'd be cautious about a linear anaysis. Is this a memory cell? As far as linear analysis goes: if the amplifiers are ideal then the time constant is likely to come from the r0, so I'd go with your second circuit. BTW, you may want to write the A = -gmr0. M.G.Rajan www.eecalc.com |
Title: Re: which one is correct for miller equivalent Post by dandelion on Feb 12th, 2007, 5:46pm mg777 wrote on Feb 1st, 2007, 8:58pm:
hi mg777, Thanks for the reply. Would u pls. elaberate your explaination a bit more? It is just a demonstration diagram, it would not be a positive feedback. And it is not a memory cell also. Because the cap C is tied to the two amplifiers both, I was puzzled how to break the loop to do the stabilty analysis. I have concerns that the miller effect will disapear for one amp if breaking the loop. So my puzzles is in fact if the cap is miller equivalent for one amp, it would be miller equivalent to another amp simultaneously? Or put another words, the same cap can be miller equvalented twice simultaneously in one block? Thanks in advance |
Title: Re: which one is correct for miller equivalent Post by avlsi on Mar 1st, 2007, 8:41am wht i feel is the same,since it is +ve feedback, is it miller approximation? the sign of A is positive. that means, there is no error signal developing. |
Title: Re: which one is correct for miller equivalent Post by dinojr on Jan 8th, 2009, 7:15pm I've had a concern on this as well, I've search around for an answer but couldn't find anything. My concern was that why can't the first gain stage be non-inverting and the second stage inverting. This would present a negative feedback situation and be no different then a miller compensated differential amplifier driving a common source fet. If I open the loop at the input of the differential amplifier aren't I missing an effect of gmR0 of the diif amp multiplied by the miller cap?? This is very puzzling for me to a seemingly simple circuit. |
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