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Message started by rajeee1000 on Jun 6th, 2007, 3:34am

Title: crystal oscillator simulation in cadence
Post by rajeee1000 on Jun 6th, 2007, 3:34am
Dear,

I am designing a 32 KHz crystal oscillator in cadence. I see the problem of the oscillation amplitude depending significantly on the initial condition (inductor current). Is there a way to faithfully estimate the oscillation amplitude or rather to choose the correct initial condition?

Thanks in advance
Rajesh

PS: I don't have access to any harmonic balance simulator  

Title: Re: crystal oscillator simulation in cadence
Post by ywguo on Jun 8th, 2007, 1:59am
Hi,

I am not aware that the amplitude depends on the initial condition, like the initial current in inductor. However, the amplitude depends on the integration method strongly. Generally, I get smaller amplitude when I choose method = gear than that when I choose method = trap.

However, I have not compared the simulation result with the test results.


Best regards,
Yawei

Title: Re: crystal oscillator simulation in cadence
Post by jeffyan on Jun 14th, 2007, 6:06pm

rajeee1000 wrote on Jun 6th, 2007, 3:34am:
Dear,

I am designing a 32 KHz crystal oscillator in cadence. I see the problem of the oscillation amplitude depending significantly on the initial condition (inductor current). Is there a way to faithfully estimate the oscillation amplitude or rather to choose the correct initial condition?

Thanks in advance
Rajesh

PS: I don't have access to any harmonic balance simulator  


hi
yes, there are some methods to calculate the amplitude theoretically in papers by qiuting huang, and vittoz.

Title: Re: crystal oscillator simulation in cadence
Post by vivkr on Jun 15th, 2007, 7:18am
Hi Yawei,

That's probably because gear maps some poles on the jw axis to the LHP => unstable systems may simulate
as stable if gear is set. For these cases, trap is better as it provides the best mapping.

However, with gear, you can also achieve the same results with tighter tolerances (atleast that's what the manuals say).

I would say that your measurements should probably match the trap simulation.

Hi Rajesh,

There are several papers by Vittoz and also by RG Meyer (of Gray & Meyer fame), all from the 70s or 80s from IEEE
JSSC. Try searching for crystal oscillators in the search section there

Regards
Vivek


ywguo wrote on Jun 8th, 2007, 1:59am:
Hi,

I am not aware that the amplitude depends on the initial condition, like the initial current in inductor. However, the amplitude depends on the integration method strongly. Generally, I get smaller amplitude when I choose method = gear than that when I choose method = trap.

However, I have not compared the simulation result with the test results.


Best regards,
Yawei

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