The Designer's Guide Community Forum https://designers-guide.org/forum/YaBB.pl Modeling >> Semiconductor Devices >> Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS https://designers-guide.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193758293 Message started by k-one on Oct 30th, 2007, 8:31am

Title: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by k-one on Oct 30th, 2007, 8:31am all, I need a spectre model for our HV Mos.... what is the industry standard for MOS high voltage model- MM20? EKV-HV? thanks

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by Geoffrey_Coram on Oct 30th, 2007, 11:34am k-one wrote on Oct 30th, 2007, 8:31am: all, I need a spectre model for our HV Mos.... what is the industry standard for MOS high voltage model- MM20? EKV-HV? thanks The Compact Model Council is expected to vote on a standard by the end of the year.  MM20 is already in the public domain; HV-EKV is another candidate (and I believe its Verilog-A code is available); HiSIM-LDMOS is the third candidate (from Hiroshima University).  HiSIM-LDMOS looks good from the presentations by the Japanese CMC members, but the code is held under non-disclosure agreement (NDA) until/unless it is accepted as the standard. I'll also mention that spectre has a built-in model (spectre -help hvmos).

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by k-one on Oct 31st, 2007, 3:02am Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Oct 30th, 2007, 11:34am: k-one wrote on Oct 30th, 2007, 8:31am: all, I need a spectre model for our HV Mos.... what is the industry standard for MOS high voltage model- MM20? EKV-HV? thanks The Compact Model Council is expected to vote on a standard by the end of the year.  MM20 is already in the public domain; HV-EKV is another candidate (and I believe its Verilog-A code is available); HiSIM-LDMOS is the third candidate (from Hiroshima University).  HiSIM-LDMOS looks good from the presentations by the Japanese CMC members, but the code is held under non-disclosure agreement (NDA) until/unless it is accepted as the standard. I'll also mention that spectre has a built-in model (spectre -help hvmos). Hi Geoffrey, Thanks a lot for the info. I did spectre -h and notice that spectre support MM20 through level mos2002. But I didn't see any ekv or hisim High Voltage model listed. Only normal ekv and hisim listed. Is there any other name to represent these 2 high voltage models? What is the performance of the built in model- hvmos? Also, I noticed there is another one named ldmos model in the list but I am not sure the performance of this model.... do you have any ideas? Thanks

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by Geoffrey_Coram on Oct 31st, 2007, 6:51am k-one wrote on Oct 31st, 2007, 3:02am: Hi Geoffrey, Thanks a lot for the info. I did spectre -h and notice that spectre support MM20 through level mos2002. But I didn't see any ekv or hisim High Voltage model listed. Only normal ekv and hisim listed. Is there any other name to represent these 2 high voltage models? What is the performance of the built in model- hvmos? Also, I noticed there is another one named ldmos model in the list but I am not sure the performance of this model.... do you have any ideas? I've never used the built-in ldmos nor hvmos.  I also don't believe the HV-EKV or HiSIM-LDMOS models are installed in Spectre, but you might find HV-EKV in Verilog-A that you could run in Spectre.  A "release candidate" (SC1) of HiSIM-LDMOS is in the latest (2007.09) HSpice.

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by k-one on Oct 31st, 2007, 5:45pm Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Oct 31st, 2007, 6:51am: k-one wrote on Oct 31st, 2007, 3:02am: Hi Geoffrey, Thanks a lot for the info. I did spectre -h and notice that spectre support MM20 through level mos2002. But I didn't see any ekv or hisim High Voltage model listed. Only normal ekv and hisim listed. Is there any other name to represent these 2 high voltage models? What is the performance of the built in model- hvmos? Also, I noticed there is another one named ldmos model in the list but I am not sure the performance of this model.... do you have any ideas? I've never used the built-in ldmos nor hvmos.  I also don't believe the HV-EKV or HiSIM-LDMOS models are installed in Spectre, but you might find HV-EKV in Verilog-A that you could run in Spectre.  A "release candidate" (SC1) of HiSIM-LDMOS is in the latest (2007.09) HSpice. Hi Geoffrey, Thanks. Looks like MM20 is the best candidate for my HV spectre model. I think Built in model not really good as it is not one of the CMC candidate for HV model. I have another question. Can this MM20 run with hspice? Currently, we are using level 66 for our hspice HV model. That means I need to extract 2 models for my HV process. Level 66 doesn't support spectre. Thanks

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by Geoffrey_Coram on Nov 1st, 2007, 4:28am k-one wrote on Oct 31st, 2007, 5:45pm: Hi Geoffrey, Thanks. Looks like MM20 is the best candidate for my HV spectre model. I think Built in model not really good as it is not one of the CMC candidate for HV model. I have another question. Can this MM20 run with hspice? Currently, we are using level 66 for our hspice HV model. That means I need to extract 2 models for my HV process. Level 66 doesn't support spectre. Thanks Have you tried using level=66 parameters with Spectre's hvmos?  I may be completely misremembering something, but I thought that perhaps Cadence had licensed it from Synopsys. MM20 is available in Verilog-A, and this will run in HSpice (assuming you have the VA compiler option with your copy of HSpice).

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by k-one on Nov 1st, 2007, 5:57am Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Nov 1st, 2007, 4:28am: k-one wrote on Oct 31st, 2007, 5:45pm: Hi Geoffrey, Thanks. Looks like MM20 is the best candidate for my HV spectre model. I think Built in model not really good as it is not one of the CMC candidate for HV model. I have another question. Can this MM20 run with hspice? Currently, we are using level 66 for our hspice HV model. That means I need to extract 2 models for my HV process. Level 66 doesn't support spectre. Thanks Have you tried using level=66 parameters with Spectre's hvmos?  I may be completely misremembering something, but I thought that perhaps Cadence had licensed it from Synopsys. MM20 is available in Verilog-A, and this will run in HSpice (assuming you have the VA compiler option with your copy of HSpice). you mean copy parameters from my hspice level 66 into hvmos model and run the simulation... I never try it. But what I know, level 66 is a Synopsys proprietary. Only recently, they allowed ICCAP as a extractor. Before this we need to use Synopsys extractor- Aurora. Can we directly run MM20 in hspice. Sorry, I don't familiar with verilog-A thanks

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by Geoffrey_Coram on Nov 1st, 2007, 8:21am k-one wrote on Nov 1st, 2007, 5:57am: Can we directly run MM20 in hspice. Sorry, I don't familiar with verilog-A There's not a level for mm20, but you do something like: .hdl "mos2002t.va" x1 d g s b mos2002t vfb=-0.45 vfbd=-0.05 (This syntax is for the Verilog-A in an enhanced Spice3f5, but the syntax in HSpice is *very* similar, and I think they also support .model cards for VA.) Verilog-A is a behavioral modeling language; you write the equations of the device in the language, and the simulator invokes a compiler and dynamically links the resulting object file.

Title: Re: Spectre Model for High Voltage MOS Post by k-one on Nov 6th, 2007, 4:03am Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Nov 1st, 2007, 8:21am: k-one wrote on Nov 1st, 2007, 5:57am: Can we directly run MM20 in hspice. Sorry, I don't familiar with verilog-A There's not a level for mm20, but you do something like: .hdl "mos2002t.va" x1 d g s b mos2002t vfb=-0.45 vfbd=-0.05 (This syntax is for the Verilog-A in an enhanced Spice3f5, but the syntax in HSpice is *very* similar, and I think they also support .model cards for VA.) Verilog-A is a behavioral modeling language; you write the equations of the device in the language, and the simulator invokes a compiler and dynamically links the resulting object file. Thanks. We have decided to use MM20 from NXP as our high voltage model for spectre. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks

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