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Title: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by Dipankar on Jun 20th, 2009, 6:56am Dear All, I need to use a diode which can stay in both fwd and rev bias. The diode is in the path of current flow - none of the end connected to vss. Currently I am using a p+n diode (in nwell) provided by my PDK . I am worried about the vertical pnp (p+ (emitter)- nwell (base) - p-substrate(collector)) may raw significant amount of current (from p+ terminal to the psub) when the diode gets fwd biased. Can anybody suggest some way out ? |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by vivkr on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:08am Hi Dipankar, As you have already pointed out yourself, you need to be careful about the other parasitic diodes to ensure that you don't cause them to be turned ON or trigger latchup. Another important point is that most foundries will model these well diodes etc. only for the reverse bias mode. So, if any diode properties are of interest to you (which is probably the case), then you will not be able to simulate them with any suitable amount of confidence. I would check with the foundry if they actually allow you to use these diodes in forward mode (I doubt). You probably need a dedicated floating diode or use an available BJT as a diode. Regards, Vivek |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by raja.cedt on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:24am hi, i think you can use diode connected pnp bjt BE junction as a forward bias diode Thanks, Rajasekhar. |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by thechopper on Jun 22nd, 2009, 9:43am Hi, Make the substrate somehow resistive around this device so in case you get the pnp turned on the current is limited on the collector and eventually could saturate your parasitic device. Rajasekhar, I think the pnp Dipankar is talking about cannot be diode connected, since he stated it is not connected to vss (substrate). Regards Tosei |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by rf-design on Jul 11th, 2009, 12:54am The "parasitic" (depends on viewpoint) vertical PNP have a low beta on standard CMOS because there is typical no buried N+ on the bottom of the NWELL. So minorities does not get reflected by the increasing doping if they diffuse down. Beta is between 2-20 So for circuit simulation it mean that not all current entering the P+ are leaving the NWELL contact! So making a substrate ring does not lift up the substrate voltage. But if the NWELL is still above the substrate volatge there is no risk of triggering Latchup. |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by Dipankar on Jul 11th, 2009, 1:32am Yes, I'm not concerned abt latch-up as nwell is at a higher potential than substrate. But what I m concerned is due to the parasitic PNP some current will be leaking to substrate instead of where it should go. I planned to use a DNW beneath NW of my diode. Does it invite some other issue ? Please advise. |
Title: Re: forward bias diode in standard cmos process Post by rf-design on Jul 14th, 2009, 12:38pm So in your process you have a NWELL and a DeepNWELL (DNWELL) If the DNWELL have increasing doping, that depend on the implanters energy, the beta of the lateral PNP is increased. So you have a P+ emitter surrounded by a P+collector ring. You connect the NWELL-base to the collector. So you lose only about 2% of the emitter current. The area between the P+ emitter and the P+ collector ring could be field oxide or poly gate but not STI. Typical gate poly is used connected to emitter or a separate device pin. |
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