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Title: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by sos on Mar 18th, 2010, 12:44pm I'm a bipolar designer doing an MOS amplifier chip. The input pad connects to a fet gate plus the usual reverse biased esd diodes to each supply rail. MOS amplifiers are expected to have picoAmp input bias currents. This seems like a lot to ask of the leakage in a relatively large esd diode. The foundry simulation models for a single diode show leakage of about 20pA with 5V across it, so they think it works, just a lot lower than I expected. I will appreciate any explanations to improve my intuition. Steve |
Title: Re: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by wave on Mar 18th, 2010, 5:29pm Steve - Nothing wrong with your intuition. For generic Op-Amps CMOS, standard ESD is fine and most people can neglect the leakage. Basic pad cells can have nA or uA at temperature. For a precision devices, you'll obviously need custom ESD that meets your leakage specs. Good luck, Wave :D |
Title: Re: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by sos on Mar 19th, 2010, 5:53am wave wrote on Mar 18th, 2010, 5:29pm:
Do you think my foundry's models are reasonable at room temperature? I agree that the leakage should go up a lot with temperature. Thanks, Steve |
Title: Re: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by love_analog on Apr 22nd, 2010, 4:37pm You probably got your answer by now. I have worked with some BCD foundries before and their pad leakage was way higher than 20pA - more like 1uA or so. Need a custom ESD cell with low junction area. Would be interested in what you find out. |
Title: Re: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by sos on May 3rd, 2010, 12:00pm love_analog wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010, 4:37pm:
Thanks for the reply, sorry for my lack of attention. So far we've decided that the leakage is something less than 1nA, and we have board leakage issues. We're waiting for a board turn (putting ground rings around the inputs). I'm on xfab xb06. My esd diodes are about 40% larger than a pad. Steve |
Title: Re: MOS input bias current with esd diodes Post by love_analog on May 5th, 2010, 12:41pm Fabs tend to give you larger ESDs than required. Helps them to sell more wafers :-) |
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