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Title: Building TOP design by Verilog-AMS Post by sand_dolphin2 on Nov 1st, 2010, 4:15pm Hi there! I want to build TOP design by not schematics but Verilog-AMS So now i consider trying to make TOP which connect these blocks -PADs -some Analog blocks are made by schematics -Logic block(RTL) by not schema but Verilog-AMS. in this case i wonder that, analog block(schematic) will be trans to net list by simulator then i can't debug signal behavior on Analog blocks. i want to trace behavior of signals under Analog blocks like bellow attached view. please let me know. at first, can or can not Now i use cadence's AMS Designer(solver APS) i believe this way will reduce time to build top design compared w/t schematic. And , we can use Logic layout tool (like as Synopsys ICC) directly after changing definition from electrical to wire... |
Title: Re: Building TOP design by Verilog-AMS Post by Geoffrey_Coram on Nov 4th, 2010, 5:54am sand_dolphin2 wrote on Nov 1st, 2010, 4:15pm:
I don't know what "trans" means -- transparent? translated? I know Verilog-AMS allows you to instantiate Spice primitives; I suppose it's simulator-specific how you instantiate subcircuits, and how the simulator finds the subckt definitions, model libraries, etc. I would expect, though, that if you simulate it with APS, then somewhere inside APS are those transistors, and it should be possible to "see" the waveforms. |
Title: Re: Building TOP design by Verilog-AMS Post by sheldon on Nov 5th, 2010, 3:34am Sand Dolphin, Your post was not very clear but it seems that you may have confused using schematics with using schematics of transistor level designs. Certainly using transistor level schematics is not top down design. However, using schematics can be the basis for top down design. You might want to review the example at the following link, it is a paper by Jonathan David. In the paper, he uses a schematic based approach to design from top-level to block level. He creates three levels of models as he refines the design. The models are parameterized so that you can trade-off block performance for system performance. http://ewh.ieee.org/r6/scv/cas/archives/2004David.pdf Please review the paper, it will help you understand how schematics and Verilog-AMS may be used for top-down design. Best Regards, Sheldon |
Title: Re: Building TOP design by Verilog-AMS Post by sand_dolphin2 on Nov 7th, 2010, 4:24pm Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Nov 4th, 2010, 5:54am:
@Geoffrey_Coram thx for your correction. that means "translated". sheldon wrote on Nov 5th, 2010, 3:34am:
@sheldon thx for your good advice and letting me Candence's info... and i know the better way to use verilog-AMS. like as on page 4,5 of Cadence's pdf file which u linked. So , I want to make Turn around Time shorter to make TOP design and Test bench too not only easy simulate system level behavior and quality. So , basically i want to consider bellow situation In case of team was configured from - many Analog engineers ( only know bottom up design flow ) they can't make behavior models of their designs. - some Digital engineer ( only know top level design flow ) - chip is not so big system, but routing signals of TOP are so many. and, Analog engineers are so busy to build transistor based design and lay out chip. then, they have no time to make top design on early stage and can't simulate as top level system. Now we try to make Digital engineers help to build and lay out and simulate Top design which is made from -some analog design macro's(are made by bottom up designer) -and one Logic blocks(is made by top down desinger). then, i make this thread to easily making TOP design and test benches and trying TOP lay out for Digital Engineers. so i think, this thread do not care for top level or not as for making chip. cos analog macros are building by Analog engineers at starting stage... and thye can't build Analog macros by top down .... So, in this case Is there No advantage for using verilog-AMS for top design ??? plz feel free asking to me.... :'( . |
Title: Re: Building TOP design by Verilog-AMS Post by jbdavid on Nov 11th, 2010, 12:08am for interconnection why wouldn't simple structural verilog be good enough ? easily manipulated by perl, and can be included in top level rtl if you need to do some synthesis, place and route for the design top. |
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