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Message started by Evgenii on Dec 3^rd, 2010, 5:22am

Title: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by Evgenii on Dec 3^rd, 2010, 5:22am

Hi Folks! :)
How to set different step size in spectre. Say, i need simulate freq tuning of quartz model with precision time step (maxstep 1ps for measurements) after his settling time (10ms). Settling time may be computed with too big or variable step size...
How to realise is? It is possible?

Thanks! :)

Title: Re: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by ywguo on Dec 5^th, 2010, 6:20am

I don't think this is feasible.

Run spectre -help tran, I find the following.

Quote:

Dynamic Parameters during Transient Analysis
The parameters defined in the `Dynamic parameters' section allow users to change temperature,design
parameters or some option parameters (reltol, residualtol, vabstol, iabstol, isnoisy) during transient
simulation.

Obviously, maxstep is not a parameter that can be changed during a tran analysis in spectre simulator until now. The spectre sub-version is 10.1.0.213.isr1.

Title: Re: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by Ken Kundert on Dec 5^th, 2010, 11:17pm

You can easily use verilog-a's boundstep to do this, but you probably shouldn't. Manually controlling the time-steps is one of the most inefficient ways of controlling accuracy. If you don't think you answer is accurate enough, have you tried just tightening reltol? Or perhaps you can set errpreset to conservative. Those are generally the best first steps.

-Ken

Title: Re: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by Evgenii on Dec 6^th, 2010, 2:19am

Thanks!:)

Title: Re: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by Evgenii on Dec 6^th, 2010, 9:19am

Unfortunaly I don't find section `Dynamic parameters' in spectre ver. 5.10.41.020608
i tried next:

p paramset {
time reltol
0 1e-3
5m 1e-6
}

error.... 'time' is built-in parameter....
:(

Title: Re: Different step size for different analisys time in ADE spectre transient
Post by Andrew Beckett on Jan 2^nd, 2011, 2:28am

Why are you using such an old version of spectre? spectre in the IC5141 has not been updated for some considerable time. At the end of 2004 (soon after IC5141 came out), spectre was split off into a separate stream, MMSIM. Since then there have been MMSIM60, MMSIM61, MMSIM62, MMSIM70, MMSIM71, MMSIM72 and MMSIM101. That's 7 major releases, so you are using a really old version of spectre, lacking in a lot of improvements and enhancements. There's no reason why you can't use a recent MMSIM version with IC5141 - that's really the recommendation.

That said, I don't think dynamic parameters is the solution in this case, as Ken said - controlling the accuracy of the simulator would be a better option. I just wanted to ensure you're actually taking advantage of 6 more years of simulator evolution and improvement!

Regards,

Andrew.