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Title: Low gm/Ids in 0.18um CMOS Post by orient on Mar 1st, 2011, 6:08pm Hi there, I noticed that my thick-oxide (3.3V) transistors have a systematic low gm/Ids, when compared to the theory. We need to use a special technology that only offers low-power MOS transistors, which is tricky for some analog designs due to high Vt. In strong inversion, but not in velocity satuation yet, my transistors should have a gm as gm = 2Ids/(Vgs-Vt) At a Vds,sat of 0.2V, for some reson, all my NMOS have 35% lower gm, while the PMOS have even lower gm of 40% with respect to the theory. Is this normal? If yes, is it related to the high Vt option? Thanks. |
Title: Re: Low gm/Ids in 0.18um CMOS Post by ywguo on Mar 2nd, 2011, 6:41am Hi Orient, The equation gm = 2Ids/(Vgs-Vth) is derived from a first order model of MOSFET which operates in strong inversion region. The real life is not so simple. Most SPICE models adopted by Foundry or IDMs are BSIM3, BSIM4.5, MOS9, MOS11, and so on. Those models usually has around 100 parameters. The equations are very complicated. I understand that you need bigger gm with specified Ids in a low power design. Please refer to the following paper. Quote:
You can google Gm over Id. There are some good literatures about the detailed simulation setup and so on. One of those papers is attached here. Best Regards, Yawei |
Title: Re: Low gm/Ids in 0.18um CMOS Post by ywguo on Mar 2nd, 2011, 6:42am One more |
Title: Re: Low gm/Ids in 0.18um CMOS Post by orient on Mar 2nd, 2011, 9:43pm Hi Yawei, Thanks for the info and papers... The example on how to extract the data from DC operating points was really useful, thanks... Here in attachment is the gm/Id for my transistors, extract from DC operating points. I also plotted the theoretical gm/Id. As you can see, the theory is not that bad, and it uses only 3 parameters... however, the techno we are using is systematically worse... I think this is really a bad technology for gm/Id, not simply model mismatch... Cheers! |
Title: Re: Low gm/Ids in 0.18um CMOS Post by ywguo on Mar 28th, 2011, 8:31am Hi Orient, The x-axis is (Vgs-Vth) in your plot. Did you try to plot gmoverId vs Vgs? You can make Vgs lower than Vth, i.e. the transistor is in the weak inversion region. Best Regards, Yawei |
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