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Title: Decaps in the schematics Post by zahrein on Jan 30th, 2012, 4:45pm HI All, When we design a circuits/schematics. The layout guy will certainly put the decaps after we design it. My question is, what is the function of the decaps and does it impact the performance of the design? I observe the decaps were connected to voltage rails. Can anyone helps? |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by aaron_do on Jan 30th, 2012, 5:14pm Hi, at RF, decoupling capacitor placement and design can be very important. The supply line connecting the supply to the circuit has some inductance and resistance which prevents it from reacting quickly to fast changes in the current drawn from the supply. Having a decoupling capacitor close to the circuit provides a large well of electrons for the circuit to draw from during transients. I think there is a document on this website somewhere with a good discussion on supply decoupling. BTW, I said at RF because that's what I mostly work on, but I'm sure in other areas it is also very important. regards, Aaron regards, Aaron |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by zahrein on Jan 30th, 2012, 5:37pm HI Aaron, thanks for the sharing. now i undertstand. Since my supply voltage is ideal, hence there is no affect on my analog funvtions/prformance when the layout put the decaps. We have decaps to prevent fast changes of current drawn from the supply. |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by loose-electron on Jan 30th, 2012, 9:04pm You may want to change your power supply model a bit, put 10nH in series with .25 ohms in both the power and ground connections back to the ideal power supply. Thats a rough set of numbers. for the bond wire interconnect and the resistance of the interconnect. |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by Lex on Jan 31st, 2012, 12:14am Decoupling caps on reference/bias lines also help lower the noise (a result of lowering the bandwidth). It can go wrong as well in some cases, for example when a reference w.r.t. VDD is decoupled to VSS or vice verse. Clear communication is required between designer and layouter to prevent these errors. |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by RobG on Feb 1st, 2012, 9:27am aaron_do wrote on Jan 30th, 2012, 5:14pm:
Here you go: http://www.designers-guide.org/Design/bypassing.pdf |
Title: Re: Decaps in the schematics Post by raja.cedt on Feb 1st, 2012, 9:42am hello zahrein, when you draw switching current(or spikes ) out of supply (for example when you have big digital ckt on vdd), you will end up with voltage dip due to it's power grid resistance and inductance, so if you please a big capacitor across the vdd it supplies sudden spiky current and vdd supply dc current. Hence there is no dip on the supply. Thanks, raj. |
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