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Title: current Passive mixer Post by Muhammed on Mar 6th, 2012, 5:23pm Hello .. i have a question about current passive mixing there are many topologies which make LO drives the gate of the MOS and other make LO drives the Drain of MOS Is there any difference ????? |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by RFICDUDE on Mar 6th, 2012, 7:29pm I don't recall a practical CMOS passive mixer with LO drive on the drain or source. Do you have an example or two you can reference? |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by aaron_do on Mar 6th, 2012, 8:06pm Hi, usually the LO drives the gate as far as I know. One obvious difference is the loading conditions at the gate and the drain/source. The operating regions also sound like they would be different. You should check the effect on linearity, gain, harmonics etc through simulation. regards, Aaron |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by Muhammed on Mar 7th, 2012, 5:01am so the difference between them is loading condition .. i read that ... usually in RX architectures they make LO drive the gate but i don't know why ??? by the way ... do you knew any tutorial about simulation direct conversion mixer in cadence ?? thanks for your reply :) |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by Muhammed on Mar 7th, 2012, 5:04am RFICDUDE wrote on Mar 6th, 2012, 7:29pm:
Look at this two photos |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by Muhammed on Mar 7th, 2012, 5:06am RFICDUDE wrote on Mar 6th, 2012, 7:29pm:
and this photo here the LO drives the drain not the gate |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by aaron_do on Mar 7th, 2012, 6:50am Hi, I think the second one is not typical. With the first, you can design a current-mode passive mixer which is very commonly used for its high linearity and robustness to variation. For the second design, I'm not sure about the operating region. It seems like when the LO is high, M1 and M2 are in the saturation region with the LO connected to the drain. When the LO is low, the devices are still in the saturation region, but now the LO is connected to the source. You could try and simulate this to be sure, but anyway in this case, the linearity may not be good. Anyway I'm not so sure, so you should run some simulations to find out. cheers, Aaron |
Title: Re: current Passive mixer Post by RFICDUDE on Mar 7th, 2012, 5:44pm It is difficult to see how the second circuit would work well as a passive mixer. It might work as an active mixer if the LO signal provides enough positive voltage to pull the MOSFET pair into saturation. Then the ON devices would have some transconductance gain. As a passive mixer the modulated ON resistance of the MOSFETs would be small because of the small RF signal on the gates, but maybe this works out somehow? |
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