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Title: onchip/offchip decoupling cap Post by mixed_signal on Aug 8th, 2012, 12:07am The frequency of my circuit is 30khz. Analog & digital has seperate Vdds but no seperate ground pins.Analog section has onchip decoupling cap of 15pf but digital has no decap. Is offchip decoupling cap for analog and digital ok? |
Title: Re: onchip/offchip decoupling cap Post by raja.cedt on Aug 8th, 2012, 1:14am always on-chip decap is real decap, when you don't have on chip decap only off chip decap one and only the option. Mainly when you have decap off chip it is not cap, you have bond wire in series with cap which results in a series resonance ckt. Imagine there is a frequency component at the resonance frequency, but inductor cancels the capacitance. Thnak,s Raj. |
Title: Re: onchip/offchip decoupling cap Post by BackerShu on Aug 28th, 2012, 8:46pm raja.cedt wrote on Aug 8th, 2012, 1:14am:
Hi Raja, A little confusion about the last half of quoted part. Do you mean only one, either analog or digital, should be chosen to be decoupled off chip? If so, what's the reason? I thought both of them could be decoupled off chip, although it won't be as effective as on chip decoupling. |
Title: Re: onchip/offchip decoupling cap Post by aaron_do on Aug 29th, 2012, 2:44am Quote:
that's putting it lightly. Also, I don't think that's what he meant. BTW, why not just assume some 1-2nH bonding wires, and simulate the circuit? See if there is any instability, performance degradation, or noise spikes. If your circuit has any possiblity of fast transients coulping to the power supply, then some on-chip decoupling would help. regards, Aaron |
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