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Title: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by lhlbluesky_lhl on Oct 1st, 2012, 7:05pm in most active BPF design procedure, the opamp is assumed to be ideal; however, the actual opamp is non-ideal, first-order or second-order, finite DC gain, finite GBW, etc. i want to know, for a BPF design, how to consider the non-ideal characteristic of opamp? such as, what is the influence of dominant pole, GBW of opamp?how to decide the design parameter of opamp? besides, i had seen a special BPF before, its center frequency can be adjusted only by a external resistor Ro: Ro=8855/f0(khz)-13 what is the possible structure of this BPF? can anyone give me some advice? thanks. |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by buddypoor on Oct 2nd, 2012, 1:48am Hi Ihlbluesky, *You are right - the classical procedure is to calculate all parts assuming an ideal opamp. That means, for a practical realization an opamp must be used with a GBW much larger (at least factor 100) than the midband frequency. *Nevertheless, there will be deviations from the desired behaviour: The center frequency as well as the bandwidth will be somewhat smaller (Q enlargement). *It is the design goal to keep these deviations within the uncertainty limits of the parts tolerances. *There are some filter design programs available, which are able to include a first-order finite gain amplifier in the parts calculation process. * More than that, I rememeber an application note from Linear Tech, which describes how to do a kind of pre-distortion in order to consider a first-order opamp. If I find it, I will give notice. * Finally, I like to mention that I have described and published a method how to reduce such errors (introduced by the opamp) using a circuit simulation program like PSpice and a specific optimization loop. In case you are interested I can give you a reference. |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by loose-electron on Oct 2nd, 2012, 4:38am The BPF that is tuned with a single resistor is probably a gmC filter not an op-amp architecture. |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by buddypoor on Oct 2nd, 2012, 5:18am Here are the application notes I was referring to (from National/TI, not from Linear): http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa373b/snoa373b.pdf http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa369a/snoa369a.pdf |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by lhlbluesky_lhl on Oct 5th, 2012, 3:51am hi, buddypoor, as you said 'I like to mention that I have described and published a method how to reduce such errors (introduced by the opamp) ', i want your reference, thanks. and loose-electron, can you give me some advice or papers about gmC filter? thanks all for your reply. |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by buddypoor on Oct 5th, 2012, 9:23am Hi Ihlbluesky, I hope the link works: http://electronicdesign.com/article/eda/spice-simulator-tunes-rc-active-filter-circuits627 |
Title: Re: how to consider non-ideal characteristic for BPF design Post by lhlbluesky_lhl on Oct 5th, 2012, 8:13pm thanks buddypoor very much |
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