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Message started by LRC on Oct 18^th, 2006, 7:30am

Title: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by LRC on Oct 18^th, 2006, 7:30am

Hi All,

I have written a verilog-A successive approximation register model and simulated it with some transistor-level analog circuits. If I would like to synthesize this SA register model directly to layout, is there a way to do that? Do I need to convert the code to Verilog/VHDL first? Also, does spectre simulate verilog code?

Thanks,

LRC

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by bernd on Oct 18^th, 2006, 9:09am

Quote:

If I would like to synthesize this SA register model directly to layout, is there a way to do that?

What do you mean with synthesis in this context?
Synthesis usually means you have described your circuit
in a Verilog or VHDL on Register Transfer (RTL) abstraction
level and synthesize it to Gate level. Therefore you also need
a standard cell library as reference for the synthesis tool.
http://www.doulos.com/knowhow/verilog_designers_guide/synthesizing_verilog/
Does this answer this question?

Quote:

Also, does spectre simulate verilog code?

No, just VerilogA. There are specific Mixed-Signal Simulators
which are able to simulate both transistor level and digital
as well as mixed signal HDL.

Bernd

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by LRC on Oct 18^th, 2006, 12:54pm

Hi Bernd,

Thanks for the help. I see I will need a standard cell library from foundry first.

However...
When I simulate my mix-signal system using Spectre, my digital component must be written in Verilog-A because spectre doesn't accept Verilog. But later if I were to synthesize the same digital conponent to layout using CAD tool, I have to re-write it in Verilog first. How do I verify the Verilog model I create will still simulate correctly with the rest of the system? The design flow seems broken... Any suggestions?

Sorry about asking these elementary questions, I am a beginner in this field.

LRC

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by bernd on Oct 19^th, 2006, 2:53am

Quote:

How do I verify the Verilog model I create will still simulate correctly with the rest of the system? The design flow seems broken... Any suggestions?

If you have access you can use a real mixed-signal simualtor like Cadence AMS Designer,
Mentors ADVance MS or Synopsys VCS MX. A 'Fast Spice' Simulator like
Synopsys Nanosim which support Verilog input can als o do it.

Have also a look at this thread:
http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1154423549

Bernd

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by jbdavid on Oct 22^nd, 2006, 10:19am

If you don't have access to those, you might have access to Verilog-XL for the digital side, and you could run the models side by side in SpectreVerilog
the Legacy Mixed Signal environment from cadence.

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by LRC on Oct 23^rd, 2006, 8:30am

Hi,

I am simulating my design in AMS environment since the license feature for Verilog-XL is not available to me. I read through the AMS tutorial Cadence provided first and followed the instruction as much as possible. However, when I tried to simulate my design, I kept getting an error saying:

ncelab: symbol lookup error: /afs/ece/support/cds/share/image/usr/cds/ldv-5.1/tools/affirma_ams/lib/libsyracuse.so: undefined symbol: __dynamic_cast_2
Error encountered during NC elaboration for configuration SA_AD_verilog:config.

In my schematic, there are only analogLib symbols, foundry provided PDK symbols (have AMS siminfo) and a Verilog block. I am not sure what is the "undefined symbol" the error messages refer to. Plus, what is "libsyracuse.so"???

Any suggestions? Thanks for the help.

LRC

Title: Re: Verilog-A design flow question
Post by Andrew Beckett on Oct 28^th, 2006, 1:53pm

Without looking it up, my guess is that your machine does not have the correct OS patches.

Try downloading the latest "checkSysConf" program from http://sourcelink.cadence.com and checking whether your patches are up to date for the version of the simulator you're using.

libsyracuse is the shared library containing the analog piece of the AMS simulator (if my memory is correct). The missing symbol is due to the libstdc++ you're using being out of date, I think... (that was from a quick google search - I'm not on the Cadence network at the moment so can't check properly).

Regards,

Andrew.