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multiple signals as outputs for noise/pnoise
Jan 04th, 2007, 5:11am
 
Hi,

Pnoise analysis works only with a predefined output signal, although one may specify multiple number of timepoints
(when using timedomain option) for noise calculation. Is there any way to also specify more than 1 signal of interest for
noise analysis purposes? This is sometimes useful, but there does not seem a way to do this. I am guessing it is owing to
computational overhead.

Same for direct noise analysis.

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Vivek
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Re: multiple signals as outputs for noise/pnoise
Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2007, 5:43am
 
Standard ac noise analysis uses an "adjoint matrix solution" (probably pnoise does also).  This means that the matrix is solved (inverted) once, and then the transfer functions from each noise source to the output is computed by a matrix-vector product, which is much cheaper than inverting the matrix for each source.

(Of course, the "output" could be differential, not just a single node.)

If you want multiple output nodes, then the simulator has to re-solve the matrix.  Hence, it's really a new analysis.  Of course, most simulators allow you to re-use the dc solution for standard noise, and Spectre should allow you to re-use the PSS for pnoise.
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Re: multiple signals as outputs for noise/pnoise
Reply #2 - Jan 4th, 2007, 8:51am
 
If you are running Spectre standalone you simply add another pnoise analysis as suggested by Geoffrey. In Artist, you have to switch the outputs manually.

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Re: multiple signals as outputs for noise/pnoise
Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2007, 5:50am
 
The workaround with ADE is to write the analysis statements by hand, and add them as an include file. But even then, the results processing only expects there to be a single pnoise analysis - but you can access the individual runs through the results browser or using OCEAN.

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