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Frequency response of switched cap filter
Apr 22nd, 2009, 3:35am
 
Hi all,
actually i need frequency response of SC filter from an impulse ....so what i do is for a 1.2V Sc filter i give an impulse of height 1.2V(0-1.2V) for one clk cycle to sample and then keep it zero...so i get the output response which goes to negative side also....now in general circuit components won't operate that way....so for that case how to get frequency response...
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Re: Frequency response of switched cap filter
Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2009, 8:17am
 
Manopidan,

A very nice quality of discrete-time analog systems such as switched capacitor filters (and delta-sigma modulators) is that if all their switch on-resistances, amplifier open loop gains, slew rates and capacitor voltage settling times are "ok" and the input signal is bandlimited according to Nyquist rules, then their frequency response can be calculated by converting their H(z) to H(s) = f(C1, C2, ..., fsample).  You should do this algebra before designing the filter, or if taking over for somebody else, do the algebra before wasting your time dicking around with capacitance values.

Beyond that, you could use a step input rather than an impulse, then differentiate the step response to get your impulse response.

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Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2009, 8:43am
 
Manopidan,

I mistakenly assumed your question was about designing or modifying switched cap filters.  When I posted my reply and backed out to the forum I then noticed your question appears in "Other Measurements". Let me revise my answer by posing a question:

Is your measurement intended for production automated test equipment (ATE) or for laboratory analysis?

For ATE I would suggest creating a "multi-tone" comprising frequencies below, near, and above the corner frequency.  Choosing your test frequencies so they are related to your sampling frequency will give you very sharp frequency bin separation and eliminate the need for windowing.  Ask your ATE vendor's FAE for details.  (But now I wonder if capturing and checking a step response would provide adequate functional coverage, with shorter test time, for production testing?  Related to my initial response.)

For laboratory analysis, I would suggest using a swept frequency source and a scope.  Or you could do the same as in the ATE test using an arbitrary waveform generator and a spectrum analyzer.

Hope this is more helpful.

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Reply #3 - Apr 23rd, 2009, 2:06am
 
Manodipan,
Have your checked following link.

www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~nagendra/E4215/2004/handouts/scfsim.pdf

In this handout simulating Switched Cap is nicely explained.

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C. A.
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2009, 6:51am
 
Hi,
thanks for your nice reply.....actually i want to know that the opamps have some output range and due to that reason if we give an impulseof height =supply voltage,it may not give me proper samples thus leading to improper frequency response.....also for testing we can use this method to determine freq response using this method than using a swept frequency signal generator.......
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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2009, 7:12am
 
Hi Manopidan,

Include "all op-amps within their linear operating range" to the list of requirements which must be "ok" for a switched-cap system to work properly.  And it's likely that an input step from VSS to VDD violates that requirement.

I repeat my question. What kind of testing? Lab or ATE? Production or evaluation?

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Reply #6 - Apr 23rd, 2009, 11:09am
 

I think frequency response of an amplifier makes sense only when all the transistors are in sturation region.  For this input swing should be smaller than input differntial range of an amplifier.

It is not clear to me whether you are trying see frequency response in simulation or in experimental set up.

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