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vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation
Nov 02^nd, 2011, 6:57pm

HI guys
I used a vpulse for the input of the VCO model (listing 22) in the Designer's guide to verilogAMS. I modified the $bound_step to 0.05n to accommodate the period of vpulse(0.5n). But the result turned out that the vpulse didn't work at all. VCO's output is the same as when it's fed with a vdc. And vpulse is zero all the time.

And in the config view: vpules-spectre, res-spectre, VCO-verilogams, testbench-schematic.
Stop list: symbol

Best regards
Daniel

VCO code:

`include "disciplines.vams"
`include "constants.vams"

module vco_analog (out, in);
parameter real Vmin=0; // minimum input voltage (V)
parameter real Vmax=Vmin+1 from (Vmin:inf); // maximum input voltage (V)
parameter real Fmin=10000k from (0:inf); // minimum output frequency (Hz)
parameter real Fmax=2*Fmin from (Fmin:inf); // maximum output frequency (Hz)
parameter real ampl=1; // output amplitude (V)
input in; output out;
voltage out, in;
real freq, phase;

analog begin
// compute the freq from the input voltage
freq = (V(in) - Vmin)*(Fmax - Fmin) / (Vmax - Vmin) + Fmin;

// bound the frequency (this is optional)
if (freq > Fmax) freq = Fmax;
if (freq < Fmin) freq = Fmin;

// phase is the integral of the freq modulo 2p
phase = 2*`M_PI*idtmod(freq, 0.0, 1.0, -0.5);

// generate the output
V(out) <+ sin(phase);

// bound the time step
$bound_step(0.05n);
end
endmodule

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Ken Kundert Global Moderator Offline Posts: 2386 Silicon Valley	Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation Reply #1 - Nov 2^nd, 2011, 8:02pm If vpulse is not working, why are you showing us the VCO? -Ken
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dan_vol New Member Offline Posts: 4 US	Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation Reply #2 - Nov 2^nd, 2011, 11:49pm Ken Kundert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011, 8:02pm: If vpulse is not working, why are you showing us the VCO? -Ken Thanks for reply. The vpulse is from analogLib. voltage1=0, voltage2=1. I want to show you everything about this problem, because I am not sure where it arise from. -Daniel
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Ken Kundert Global Moderator Offline Posts: 2386 Silicon Valley	Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation Reply #3 - Nov 3^rd, 2011, 9:26am Is there more to this simulation? Is it just a voltage source driving the VCO model, or are there other components? Is it possible that the timepoints chosen by the simulator are so loose that it is not sampling the output of the voltage source when the output is high? -Ken
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boe Community Fellow Offline Posts: 615	Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation Reply #4 - Nov 3^rd, 2011, 10:38am Ken, bound_step should prevent the timestep issue. Perhaps somewhere the "n" (for nanoseconds) is missing...? - B O E
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Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation
Reply #5 - Nov 3^rd, 2011, 7:51pm

Ken Kundert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011, 9:26am:

Is there more to this simulation? Is it just a voltage source driving the VCO model, or are there other components?

Is it possible that the timepoints chosen by the simulator are so loose that it is not sampling the output of the voltage source when the output is high?

-Ken

There are just 3 components. They are uploaded in the attachment. And I tested other sources like vpwl and vdc(test_source folder in the attachment), I found that only if the stoplist in the Hierarchy Editor contains spectre, the results will be right.

But when the stoplist of test_vco_analog example is changed to include spectre, irun would report error like the following:

ncelab: *E,CUVDNF (./netlist.vams,23|20): Could not determine discipline for this expression .
) I0 ( .out(net3), .in(net1));
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ncelab: *E,CUVDNF (./netlist.vams,23|31): Could not determine discipline for this expression .
net1, cds_globals.\gnd! );
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ncelab: *E,CUVDNF (./netlist.vams,26|7): Could not determine discipline for this expression .
resistor #(.r(1K)) R0 (net3, cds_globals.\gnd! );

I consulted to the user guide(cdshiereditor.pdf). But I don't know what it exactly means by leaf node. And what's the difference among symbol , symbol spectre and verilogams spectre in the stoplist?

-Daniel

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Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation
Reply #6 - Nov 3^rd, 2011, 7:55pm

boe wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011, 10:38am:

Ken,
bound_step should prevent the timestep issue.

Perhaps somewhere the "n" (for nanoseconds) is missing...?

- B O E

I checked again..Actually vdc and vpwl don't work either. I am going to write the source in verilogams now. But I wonder why the problem happened.

-Daniel

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Re: vpulse doesn't work in the AMS simulation
Reply #7 - Nov 3^rd, 2011, 8:47pm

You are not going to get many people to go through the trouble of trying to open your cadence database, and even if they did you did not give enough to reproduce the problem. You'd be better served communicating with words and pictures. I will look at a netlist if you collapse it into one file, though I don't know if anyone else will.

-Ken

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