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plotting reverse saturation current(is) of pnp bjt in spectre,ade
Aug 11th, 2012, 6:56am
 
Hi,

I am trying to plot the reverse sat current of bjt versus temperature in spectre ade setup of cadence.

'is' is a model parameter for this model bipolar.


doing a dctemp sweep/parametric  shows 'is' is constant with temperature (clearly its not so from theory)

any ideas what is missing here?

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Re: plotting reverse saturation current(is) of pnp bjt in spectre,ade
Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2012, 10:08am
 
yvkrishna,
model parameter is not evaluated for every sweep point

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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2012, 11:23am
 
boe -
I think the temperature update of the model parameters *must* be done for every sweep point, but the simulator may or may not make this available for plotting by the user.  The simulator may just give back the raw value that it was given (which might involve some complicated equations of subckt parameters, so it's not necessarily a trivial replay of a single number).

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Re: plotting reverse saturation current(is) of pnp bjt in spectre,ade
Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2012, 11:37am
 
Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Aug 14th, 2012, 11:23am:
boe -
I think the temperature update of the model parameters *must* be done for every sweep point, but the simulator may or may not make this available for plotting by the user.  The simulator may just give back the raw value that it was given (which might involve some complicated equations of subckt parameters, so it's not necessarily a trivial replay of a single number).

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Yes, of course. I meant to say: the model parameters in the results are not available for every sweep point...

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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2012, 11:12pm
 
Thanks for your views. I shouldn't go by the name 'is'  as its a model parameter.

Is there any other way to plot rev saturation current in a bjt .


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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2012, 2:35am
 
Yvkrishna,
Did you try to use the dc operating point (without sweep) and sweep the temperature with the parametric analysis tool?

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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2012, 12:35pm
 
boe,

Yes I did try with parametric analysis.
Itseems that Model parameter is not at all swept in Spectre simulations.

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Reply #7 - Aug 26th, 2012, 5:15am
 
One way to get it is to write a calculator expr for 'Is' using the well known eqn: VBE = Vt*ln(Ic/Is) .

But it can be inaccurate as this eqn is very preliminary.

Any comments?

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