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alesi616
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Help on Passive Bandpass Filter with Spectre
Jan 13th, 2005, 10:10am
 
Hi all,

I currently working on Passive RF Bandpass Filter for CDMA2000 standard. Below are the specs.

Center Frequency = 1.9GHz
Bandwidth = 200MHz
topology = 2nd order Butterworth (with Q-enhanced
resonator)

1) is it filter Gain response = Insertion Loss??

2) with Cadence Spectre, I have to show the filter response with AC Gain& Phase plot or S21 (Insertion Loss) plot from S-parameter?? because i notice that both of the graphs won't be the same, which plot should I use for my filter's response?? really confuse about it.......need help..... How about the Phase response?? is it important for bandpass Filter??

3) for Return Loss (S11), should it be more negative or less negative to better?? what are the values for my specs??

4) for 1-dB Cpmpression Point and IIP3 plot, should it be bigger or smaller to better?? what are the values for my specs??

5) how about the Noise Figure?? what are the suitable value for my circuit in 1.9GHz ranges and CDMA application??

Helps are needed....thanx!!
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Re: Help on Passive Bandpass Filter with Spectre
Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2005, 8:15am
 
Greetings,

  Could you provide some additional information about the
filter? Are you using a model from rfLib to model the filter?
Are you using the Verilog-A laplace function to model the
filter? Are you using s-parameter data, n-port, to model
the filter?

1)

2) In general, s-parameter and ac analysis should not
   match. Ac analysis is peformed in the voltage domain    
   and s-parameters calculated from the normalized power
   wave response (forgot the exact term)
 
    Circuit designers will probably find the ac characteristics
    easier to understand and RF designers will probably
    prefer s-parameters

    Since phase response is related to group delay, it is
    very important for filters.  The "flatter" the group delay
    the less data is distorted going through the filter.

3) Less return loss is better.

4) Passive filters should have infinite IP3 and P1dB

5) Noise Figure is determined by insertion loss

                                                       Best Regards,

                                                         Sheldon
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