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jefkat

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Is this possible !!!
Oct 06^th, 2005, 5:53am

Hey guys,
Now, does anyone know if I can do this....
I have a circuit in which the capacitance is changed by
turing on different switches (MOS transistors)
What I want is

# send a comination by AHDL block
# read the results back into AHDL block

so my AHDl block is sending the various combinations
and reading the results back (from sp or ac analysis)
Since AHDL is time domain stuff ...is there anyway to fool around???
Cheers
shaf

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sheldon

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Re: Is this possible !!!
Reply #1 - Oct 6^th, 2005, 6:33pm

Jefkat,

Could you provide more detail about what you are trying to do?
Is the combination that you are sending the model, a combination
of digital control signals? For example, are you applying different
combinations of dc voltages that represent different digital states and
you want to measure the frequency response for the each state? Also
could you clarify the meaning of"read the results back"? Depending
on what you trying to do there may be solutions.

Best Regards,

Sheldon

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Reply #2 - Oct 7^th, 2005, 1:32am

Hi Sheldon, I have a circuit like the following:

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A Capacitance can be added in the parallel by
turning on the respective switch. I have 10 switches.
I send binary combination (like digital control signals)
to these switches and I have to measure the resulting total capacitance for every combination.

So far I was doing it in transient analyis but it is
time expensive. I was detecting the phase difference between voltage and current (by detecting zero crossings). Since capacitances change in very small values from one step to another I had to
limit the time step alot.
I want to switch to s-param or 'ac' analyis. "Reading the results" back mean reading back impedance (or any quantity which can help
me determine capacitance and series switch resistance)....I have to log all the results in a file.

Many many thanks for your time.
Cheers.
jefkat.

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sheldon

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Reply #3 - Oct 7^th, 2005, 1:57am

Jefkat,

Why don't you build a structural model from capacitiors and
the switch from bmslib. The switches would be turned on and
off by dc voltages. The add a series capacitor between the source
and the model. You can extract the impedance from the ac voltage
at the output of the voltage divider output using the calculator.
You should probably also add a resistor to ground to get a nice
dc operating point.

Best Regards,

Sheldon

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jefkat

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Reply #4 - Oct 11^th, 2005, 2:53am

Thanks sheldon.....but really have no clue to what this bmslib might be ..but I have solved the problem in another way.
I still use AHDL block to generate the combos..But this time use no transient analyis. I am sweeping DC at the input of AHDL (to generate different combos) . And for every DC level (so every combo) I run an "sp" analysis,
I get the right results in the display window. Next I have to get them into tabular format . you know how to ? (today I have put this question on circuit simulators section of the forum as well)
Thanks !
jefakt

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Re: Is this possible !!!
Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2005, 1:25am

So what you REALLY want is

Code:

module varswcap (inout pos, neg input [7:0] capcontrl);
electrical pos, neg;

parameter real caplsb = 1p; // 1pf /bit
parameter real tr = 20p; // sec transition time for change
real capval = 0;
integer capset;
analog begin
   I(pos,neg) <+ capval * ddt(V(pos,neg);
   capval = transition(capset, 0, tr, tr);
end
always @(capcontrl) begin
   if (^capcontrl != 1'bx) // no x or z values allowed..
   capset = capontrol
end

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BUT This model create and destroys charge every time the capacitor value changes ..
so you might want to model how the total Q changes when you change capacitor values..
(does the charge remain fairly constant while a capacitor is disconnected from the system?
What happens to the voltage when it getst connected back in?

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jefkat Community Member Offline Posts: 69	Re: Is this possible !!! Reply #6 - Oct 12^th, 2005, 2:39am Thanks much for sharing this . jefkat
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