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jitter due to filter leak
Apr 02nd, 2007, 8:43pm
 
Hi,
In specs of PLL, am trying the calculate the contribution of the filter leakage current to the overall jitter.
With filter leak current in hand will this formulae,
                                    leakage current * 10 * (1/minimum reference clock frequency)
yield me the jitter value due to this leakage current?
If somebody has come across this sort of calc before, putforth your suggestions please.

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Re: jitter due to filter leak
Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2007, 4:21am
 

By dimensional analysis you're missing a current in the denominator, and the only current in the problem is the charge pump source. I can't see any reason for the 10.

Do PLL designs these days still use an external cap?

M.G.Rajan

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Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2007, 3:58am
 
Thanks for replying rajan.

Yes, i know there is a big flaw in terms of the dimensions. But this emperical formula is what is suggested. May be i guess i have to divide this term by the capacitor value through that path.
And I dint get ur question on PLL design!!
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Re: jitter due to filter leak
Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2007, 4:09pm
 
Every PLL I've designed or worked on this millenium  has had an internal cap.  Usually (always, I think) gate-cap of a native NFET, from 50pF to 2nF (that one was called the 'solar panel').

Actuall leakage is typically very small.  I've watched the frequency remain roughly constant for seconds after the PFD/qpump is turned off.

If leakage is present, the loop has to correct for it.  So the amount of leakage-induced jitter will be a function of the loop bandwidth, the filter-cap size, the VCO gain. Leakage will lower the control voltage by whatever charge it drains off the filter-cap between up/dwn pulses.  Bigger cap, less delta-V.  Lower K0, less delta-F.  Higher bandwidth, less time for leakage to discharge the filter cap, less delta-V.
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