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cascode opamp - cant get two mosfets in saturation
May 02nd, 2007, 2:46pm
 
Hi,

I am working with a two stage cascode opamp. Schematic Attached.

I am unable to get mosfets M8 and M9 to get into saturation for any sizing that I try.

From SPICE it is seen that Vds(M7) is very high, almost 9 V (rail to rail is 10V)

Vds for M8 and M9 go very low and they are driven into linear region.

Could anyone explain why does so much voltage drop over M7?

Thanks a lot.

-Almitra.

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SPICE Description:

.param w1=200u w2=200u w3=200u w4=200u c1=50pf w5=50u w6=100u
m1 2 4 5 vss nmos w=w1 l=4u
m2 1 3 5 vss nmos w=w1 l=4u
m3 2 2 vdd vdd pmos w=w2 l=4u
m4 1 1 vdd vdd pmos w=w2 l=4u
m5 5 10 vss vss nmos w=w3 l=4u
m6 7 2 vdd vdd pmos  w=w4 l=4u
m7 8 11 7 vdd pmos w=w4 l=4u
m8 8 12 9 vss nmos w=w4 l=4u
m9 9 6 vss vss nmos w=w4 l=4u
m10 6 1 vdd vdd pmos w=10u l=4u
m11 6 6 vss vss nmos w=10u l=4u
m12 10 10 vss vss nmos w=10u l=4u
m13 11 11 vdd vdd pmos w=w5 l=4u
m14 11 10 vss vss nmos  w=w6 l=4u
m15 12 11 vdd vdd pmos w=w5 l=4u
m16 12 12 vss vss nmos w=w5 l=4u
cl 8 0 c1
ib vdd 10 10u
vdd vdd 0 5
vss vss 0 -5
vinp 4 0 1.5 ac 0.5 0
vinn 3 0 1.5 ac 0.5 180
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Re: cascode opamp - cant get two mosfets in satura
Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2007, 5:38pm
 
Almitra,

  The testbench may not be appropriate for the measurmements
that you are trying to make. Try using a vcvs to close the loop and
setup a the dc operating point.

Ef   3  0  8 0 1.0   <-- If I remember the syntax correctly

If you have access to Ken's simulation book, there is additional
discussion on testbench setup and amplifier measurement.

BTW,
In general, when using the open loop technique, you need to run a
dc sweep first to select a dc voltage for vinn that results in the desired
the output dc level. In this case, it appears that the choice of vinn=1.5V
results in the output being saturated at the negative supply. The
usual source of this behavior is the systematic offset voltage of the
amplifier.

                                                      Best Regards,

                                                         Sheldon
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Re: cascode opamp - cant get two mosfets in satura
Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2007, 7:30am
 
Hi Sheldon,

That was really very useful. The output voltage was indeed clamped to -5V.


Generally we equate currents through the output branch transistors, is the same done for cascode transistors as well?

Could you please let me know what is the correct way to adjust bias voltages B2 and B3 ?

Thanks a lot.

-Almitra
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Re: cascode opamp - cant get two mosfets in satura
Reply #3 - May 3rd, 2007, 8:13am
 
Almitra,

 Try doing a search on high swing current mirror and you will be able to
find references. Here is one link that discusses a nice bias circuit for the
cascode transistors, though it requires a few transistors.

http://www.macs.ece.mcgill.ca/~roberts/ROBERTS/COURSES/AnalogICCourse/IC_Compone...

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