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a question about overdrive voltage&sub-threshold
Jun 27th, 2008, 4:28am
 
In the CMOS Op-Amp Design, it often mention that ensure MOS transistors operate far away from the subthreshold region,describe to operate the transistors wiht a minimum gate overdrive voltage.
Vgs - Vt = sqrt(I*L/uCox*2W) >= Voverdrive,min

but when the current is very low,base this equ ,the W/L would be too large.
so i want to know when it's low current ,how to fix the W/L?
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Reply #1 - Jun 27th, 2008, 5:36am
 
Hi,

why do you say that when the current is small, W/L is large?

If you want the same Vgs-Vt and you reduce I, then you must reduce W/L...

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Reply #2 - Jun 29th, 2008, 6:14pm
 
i'm so sorry to make a stupid mistake. Actually i wanna to say the W/L would be very very small.i.e. i=5uA,and the Vgs-Vth=0.2v in 0.6um CMOS process
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2008, 1:20am
 
Good question. Apart from increasing L, operating in subthreshold, or using some kind of source degeneration...i'm not sure.

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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2008, 2:50am
 
Thanks for your answer!
but the MOS transistors turn into sub-threshold region,i/(W/L)shold be less than about 100nA.then the w/l would large enough,in fact too large i think.

how to fix the sizing when the current is small have been haunting me for a long time. Sad
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Reply #5 - Jun 30th, 2008, 4:25am
 
Hi,

I think that sub-threshold is usually avoided in high-speed design because large transistors
are necessary. But an OTA with 100nA bias current is probably not high-speed - and you can operate transistors in sub-threshold region.

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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2008, 4:41am
 
I should correct that:no the bias current 100nA,but the current of per W/L is 100nA
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