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how to get jitter for logic gates
Oct 20th, 2008, 3:13pm
 
1. Hi, I had tried to characterize the jitter for driven logic gates (for insance, a simple inverter) due to intrinsic device noise. According to Ken Kundert's paper - An Introduction to Cyclostationary Noise, there are three approaches to do that (on page 38). The first approach needs to determine the instantaneous noise power at the time of threshold crossing time. It is written that "SpectreRF can do this", but I wonder what SpectreRF analysis can do this.

2. On the other hand, I had used 'pnoise' for this purpose, but 'pnoise' gives the time-average of the noise at the output of the circuit in the form of a spectral density versus frequency, according to the reference guide. I was wondering how to convert the resulting noise spectrum to actual time-domain jitter?

Thanks.
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Re: how to get jitter for logic gates
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2009, 1:25pm
 
You should use pnoise and get phase noise output. Then integrate it over the band.
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Re: how to get jitter for logic gates
Reply #2 - Nov 2nd, 2009, 1:14am
 
Please see the thread starting at http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224609785. In general (that is without any additional assumptions), it is not possible to calculate jitter from the time-averaged noise.
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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2010, 7:59am
 
Another thing I would like to add on. I understand your question is mostly about thermal noise induced jitter. However, typically most of the jitter will come from power supply noise so please don't forget that.

Best way is to put say 50mV pp sinewave at a non-multiplier ratio of the reference frequency and look at the pp of the output.
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