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nobody Community Member Offline Posts: 75	Class AB opamp Aug 30^th, 2010, 7:43am Hello, all I have a question on the size of some transistos and marked them in red. The question is why they are not equal and why they are sized like that way(50/2, 24/2). What I thought is try to set sources of M20 and M28 equal but that is not true. Thanks a lot
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AnalogDE

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Re: Class AB opamp
Reply #1 - Aug 30^th, 2010, 10:56am

I'll take a stab at this -- M19 and M20 set the bias voltages on output transistors M25/M26.. It looks like classical AB biasing to reduce cross over distortion.

M28/M27 are used to isolate the two diode connected devices -- M28/M27 are larger because the biasing leg requires more headroom (it has 2*Vth less saturation margin vs the other leg). So you would want those larger to keep the biasing leg alive.

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Reply #2 - Aug 30^th, 2010, 7:29pm

Hello, AnalogDE

Thanks for your explanation. You are right about the distortion and the function of M19 and M20.
However, I do not get your point about why M28/M27 are larger.
A plot is attached to show biasing voltages. M15,M16,M17 and M18 are
high swing cascode devices. The souce of M27, which is Va, is Vov,M17+Vth,M7. Vc is set by M23,M24 and M19, which means that the swing is set by the same way. Therefore it is possible for two biasing legs to have the same swing but it is not that way according the sizes of M27 and M28.
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Lex Senior Member Offline Posts: 201 Eindhoven, Holland	Re: Class AB opamp Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2010, 1:03am M16 and M18 need 2x a certain VDS, which is probably lower than 1x VGS needed for M17. So M16 and M18 have more margin. The nonequal W/L for M27 and M19 compensates this to some extent. So by less drain modulation the currents in each branch will match better.
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nobody Community Member Offline Posts: 75	Re: Class AB opamp Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2010, 1:50am Hello, Alexandar It seems that the souce voltage of M27 is biased by two branches. One is through M23, M24 and M27. Vs27= Vov,M24+Vov,M23+Vth,M23+Vth,M24-Vov,M27-Vth,M27 The other one is M15 and M17. Vs27=Vg17=Vov,M17+Vth,M17 So these two branches are fighting each other. Is that right ?
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Re: Class AB opamp
Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2010, 7:08pm

nobody wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010, 7:29pm:

However, I do not get your point about why M28/M27 are larger.
Therefore it is possible for two biasing legs to have the same swing but it is not that way according the sizes of M27 and M28.

It is in fact possible to make the same swing in both branches, but in that way full swing on the output branch would not be used. In order to fully use the output branch swing, different sizes are required as Analog DE suggested.

nobody wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010, 7:29pm:

So these two branches are fighting each other. Is that right ?

The answer is no. M23 and M24 set the gate voltage of M27, but not its current. Such current is set by M15 and M17, which set the source voltage of M27. Thus the two branches are not fighting each other.

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Re: Class AB opamp
Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2010, 8:47pm

The answer is no. M23 and M24 set the gate voltage of M27, but not its current. Such current is set by M15 and M17, which set the source voltage of M27. Thus the two branches are not fighting each other.

M23 and M24 set the gate voltage of M27 and the current through of M27 is set by M15 and M17. Therefore, the source voltage can be derived because of the size and current of M27.
However, the source voltage is also set by M15 and M17. So I think they are fighting to each other.

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