The Designer's Guide Community
Forum
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register. Please follow the Forum guidelines.
Jul 16th, 2024, 6:24am
Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Looking for OSCillator or VCOscillator models useable in Spectre-RF PSS-pnoise, (Read 88 times)
ppg
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 15
San Jose USA
Looking for OSCillator or VCOscillator models useable in Spectre-RF PSS-pnoise,
Sep 26th, 2010, 8:15pm
 
Dear All,

On top of the well documented (see http://www.designers-guide.com/documents.html and example in http://www.designers-guide.org/VerilogAMS/) PSS issue with hidden-state in veriloga behavioural models one faces the following issue.

Known veriloga phase models for transient analysis (http://www.designers-guide.org/Analysis/PLLnoise+jitter.pdf) calculates the oscillator absolute phase(t) by integrating oscillator instantaneous frequency function of input voltage VCOin(t). Such models indeed do not converge in PSS analysis as the oscillator absolute phase is not a periodic function of time or phase(t+T0) # phase(t).

Therefore if one looks to simulate for instance -PLL loop stability (Phase margin, Gain margin) using PSS-pac analysis including effects from discrete nature of PFD sampling (assumed to be modeled at circuit level), or, - PLL Phase Noise using PSS-pnoise including folding in dividers and print contributors one must use full detailed circuit level in the analysis with associate long simulation run and possible some PSS convergency issues.

I am looking for OSCillator or VCOscillator models useable in Spectre-RF PSS-pnoise, PSS-pac, PSS-... analysis; it should be a kind of "most simple oscillator circuit" (L, C, with N-shaped non-linearity?) with parameters for pull characteristics (fmin, fMax, non-linear pull, ...) and phase noise (flicker, thermal, ...) as for their .tran models counterparts. It can not be a phase based model as all state variables must end-up periodic in time for PSS analysis. It is a model because it takes abstraction of a lot of details in R, L, C, MOSFET's ... still maintaining the behaviour using most simplified circuit in PSS analysis.

Thank you for your help herewith.

Regards,
ppg.
Back to top
 
 
View Profile   IP Logged
Ken Kundert
Global Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 2386
Silicon Valley
Re: Looking for OSCillator or VCOscillator models useable in Spectre-RF PSS-pnoise,
Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2010, 1:45am
 
Actually, the vco models in the jitter paper and the ones on this site generally use idtmod() rather than idt, and so should work fine with PSS.

-Ken
Back to top
 
 
View Profile WWW   IP Logged
Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Copyright 2002-2024 Designer’s Guide Consulting, Inc. Designer’s Guide® is a registered trademark of Designer’s Guide Consulting, Inc. All rights reserved. Send comments or questions to editor@designers-guide.org. Consider submitting a paper or model.