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Converting differential voltage to digital
Jan 24th, 2012, 5:36pm
 
Hi,

I have to digitise a differential O/P of a subcircuit  using dual slope A/D converter.  But my dual slope A/D converter i am designing is single ended. How can I convert differential O/P  to single ended?

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Reply #1 - Jan 25th, 2012, 3:02am
 
hello,
so you have differential signal and you want single ended, so why don't you simply take one signal out differential signal, because differential means you have v and -v...you need single ended means 2*v, so take one signal and use if you want exact differential just amplify by 2.
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Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2012, 5:29pm
 
Raja - that might work but you would get the common mode noise including DC. The normal way to do it is to use an instrumentation amplifier like this:


If you can drive resistance you don't need the two buffers up front.

There are many variations that might fit the OP's needs.
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Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2012, 8:15pm
 
Hi,
I apologise for my mistake. The signal is not absolute differential with V+ and V- but v1 and v2 and both are >0. I want to digitise v1-v2 which is the o/p of a temperature sensor and i dont want to introduce any nonlinearity. In fact they are Vbe1 and Vbe2 of two BJTs.

NB. I dont want to change the sensor core and modify like a bandgap ref to extract Vbe1 - Vbe2.
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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2012, 4:57am
 
The typical thing to do is to gain this pat signal up and use a sigma delta ADC. You will need an accurate voltage reference regardless of what type of ADC you use.

What kind of accuracy and resolution are you designing for?

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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2012, 8:02pm
 
I agree with Dan, the dual slope converter is pretty out of date
and has been replaced by more reliable methods like
sigma-delta converters.

To deal with the conversion, considering its a
sampled time system, there are switched capacitor methods that
work well and do not consume much power.
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Reply #6 - Jan 27th, 2012, 2:41pm
 
Just use a fully differential system and this will be pretty easy. An incremental is just a Delta-Sigma that is reset before each conversion and may work a little better for your app:
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If can oversample the signal by a lot then use the simple circuit in the second paper (1987, 16-bits).
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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2012, 4:12am
 
hello robg,
small correction in your previous post schematic, why again v+/2 at the end of r4. I guess it's mistake.

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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2012, 8:46am
 
Hi Dan clement,

I am designig for an uncalibrated inaccuracy of 1C and a resolution of 0.1C with an on current of just 3uA (sensor core+ADC). I know its difficult but thats my goal. The two hard constraints are uncalibrated inaccuracy and low power.

If I use sigma delta  and chopper circuits to minimise the offsets (for uncalibrated inaccuracy) then the power increase. One good thing is that my sensing range is small -20 to 30C and I have a low sampling rate of 1 sample per  minute.

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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2012, 9:38am
 
raja.cedt wrote on Jan 29th, 2012, 4:12am:
hello robg,
small correction in your previous post schematic, why again v+/2 at the end of r4. I guess it's mistake.

Thanks,
Raj.


I didn't see that, but presumably it is a reference voltage (not the input voltage) chosen so that it will shift the common mode of the output to mid reference. The classical circuit I've seen ahs that voltage tied to ground and R2=R3, R2=R4. Then Vout = R4/R3*(Vin+-Vin-)
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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2012, 9:59am
 
mixed_signal wrote on Jan 29th, 2012, 8:46am:
If I use sigma delta  and chopper circuits to minimise the offsets (for uncalibrated inaccuracy) then the power increase. One good thing is that my sensing range is small -20 to 30C and I have a low sampling rate of 1 sample per  minute.


A Delta-Sigma or incremental is going to use FAR less power than a dual slope and more robust. As Jerry said, nobody uses dual slopes anymore. I doubt if you could even meet 10x that power with a dual slope -- MAYBE if you use an external capacitor, and you can't get away with a cheap capacitor on a dual slope.

I mentioned an incremental ADC. If you are continuously sampling the same input a delta-sigma is fine too, except every once it will give you an answer 1lsb different. With an single order incremental the decode is just a counter and you have so much time that you could get 16 bits with a 1kHz clock.

These are the types of circuits I love to design Wink))

Do some searching on google scholar. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a published sensor design to meet your needs.
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2012, 1:59pm
 
The temp sensors that get used in microprocessors use the differential current and different size diodes to do this.

Google search on microprocessor temperature and fan control systems, there was a bunch of stuff on this around 1998 give or take a few years.
(I designed one while I as at Fairchild then.)

Consider doing either sigma-delta or VCO counter architecture, which is not as well published.
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Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2012, 8:13am
 
Thanks everyone for your valuable suggestions!
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Reply #13 - Jan 30th, 2012, 9:19am
 
UPDATE - Never mind, I saw your earlier references- thanks!

"Incremental" ADC?

What does that term mean Rob?

[quote author=RobG link=1327455370/0#10 date=1327859993]mixed_signal wrote on Jan 29th, 2012, 8:46am:
I mentioned an incremental ADC.



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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2012, 12:43pm
 
Incremental ADC is basically a delta-sigma except that it is reset before each conversion. This allows it to be used for multi-channel high resolution ADCs since the current result doesn't depend on the past results. Also good for single-event upset environments for the same reason. The decimation filters are easier - for a first order it is just a counter, but you need a higher OSR than a delta-sigma.

edit - I just saw that you saw my references  ;D
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