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50 ohm filter, DC to light
Apr 09th, 2012, 4:17pm
 
I need to design a bandpass filter with 50 ohm input and output impedance.  This would be a simple task except that I need the input and output impedance to be 50 ohms in the passband AND in the stopband.

Most of the bandpass filters I've designed in the past have a very low impedance at frequencies below the passband and a very high impedance at frequencies above the passband.  Has anyone seen any design material on matching the stopband of a filter to 50 ohms?  I'm sure this is going to be very challenging because the impedance swings all over the Smith Chart.  Can anyone help?

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Re: 50 ohm filter, DC to light
Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2012, 5:33pm
 
Try reading up on "Absorptive Filters". I think there are a few papers on IEEE. Also, you can imagine that it can be done using a filter, and a pair of isolators.


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Re: 50 ohm filter, DC to light
Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2012, 4:51pm
 
rpaulson,

The simplest way but higher component count would be to design a triplexor where the stop bands are pass bands to unused paths simply terminated with 50 Ohm resistors.

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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2012, 5:27pm
 
Hi rfcooltools,


by a triplexor, you mean like a duplexor except with one more output right? Like this one...

http://www.tycc.cn/pics/new/1225336574.pdf

If so, how is that easy to design for 50-ohm broadband matching? To my knowledge, duplexors only pass two specific bands, so there is still a huge bandwidth that is unmatched.

Picking up on your idea though, I guess you could design a bandpass filter and a notch filter parallel, and terminate the notch filter in 50-ohm...


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Re: 50 ohm filter, DC to light
Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2012, 9:39pm
 
Aaron,

Duplexor is a nomenclature intended to mean talking and listening simultaneously where as a diplexer is to frequency separated combination of two bands.  A duplexor in cell phones for example is a type of diplexor. Combining a type of low pass and a highpass to create a three port is a diplexor where the common port see the response of both filters and one port observes the response of the low pass and the other the highpass.  A triplexor is to combine three filters separated in frequency.

Yes, its a four port with one common, one low pass only for match, one high-pass only for match and one band-pass as the desired.  

The link you put in your post is a type of triplexor but it is made up of three bandpass filters where as what I am talking about is wider in bandwidth.  Consider this link to demonstrate.

http://productfinder.pulseeng.com/product/C6178NL

click on data sheet and look at the return loss characteristics.

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Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2012, 2:07am
 
Hi rfcooltools,


thanks for the information. I see what you mean now.


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