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LDO Design ( Any Advantage in using feedback resistors?)
Feb 20th, 2013, 4:57pm
 
Hello Guys,
Please see attached circuits. The first on the LHS utilizes resistive feedback and the one on the RHS does not. I am driving a CONSTANT current load and capacitance. Could someone please explain if there is any advantage in using the Resistive feedback version over not using a resistive feedback? PSRR is of primary concern to me!

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Re: LDO Design ( Any Advantage in using feedback resistors?)
Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2013, 5:43am
 
Hi,

Those resistors may used to define a particular output voltage (by changing the divider ratio) with the given Vref. It is not always the case where we will use only one output voltage throughout, in the case of these power-management blocks.

i don't see any other issues. you have to use it.

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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2013, 6:10am
 
in addition to anil i would like to say  PSRR depends on UGB, so if you make sure same loop gain in both cases (by adjusting opamp gain) PSRR will be more less same in both cases...
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2013, 10:36am
 
raja.cedt wrote on Feb 21st, 2013, 6:10am:
in addition to anil i would like to say  PSRR depends on UGB, so if you make sure same loop gain in both cases (by adjusting opamp gain) PSRR will be more less same in both cases...


So what if i have a large Cload, won't that affect my PSRR?
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2013, 10:48am
 
hello,
it effect's but it will be similar to both cases you shown in the fig. Please refer introduction in this pap.

http://www-vlsi.stanford.edu/papers/ea_rep_reg_jssc_06.pdf

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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2013, 4:17am
 
For the same Phase Margin, with resistive feedback the compensation cap can be much lesser, but in unity gain feedback structure compensation cap required will be much more. This might degrade the PSRR.

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Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2013, 8:00am
 
More than that - for feedback without any voltage divider you must apply a Vref identical to Vout (very large opamp gain).
How would you manage this?
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Re: LDO Design ( Any Advantage in using feedback resistors?)
Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2013, 8:14am
 
Advantage: the one without resistive feedback has higher loopgain.
Disadvantage: you will need an extra block if you want a vout different from vref.
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Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2013, 5:17pm
 
I believe the most important role feedback resistor plays to eliminate the zero-load current condition, if that is important for you. There are other ways to maintain a minimum load current, but for a voltage source i.e. LDO, resistor divider is the simplest fixed current load.

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Re: LDO Design ( Any Advantage in using feedback resistors?)
Reply #9 - Feb 26th, 2013, 7:07pm
 
Larry_80 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013, 4:57pm:
Hello Guys,
Please see attached circuits. The first on the LHS utilizes resistive feedback and the one on the RHS does not. I am driving a CONSTANT current load and capacitance. Could someone please explain if there is any advantage in using the Resistive feedback version over not using a resistive feedback? PSRR is of primary concern to me!

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If PSSR is a major concern, an item I have not seen mentioned is the manner in which the resistors are implemented and if they are adjustable using analog switches. Parasitic capacitance of either the resistors or the switches to the supply can significantly reduce the high frequency supply rejection. Hence, the use of the topology and substrate connections of resistors and any potential switches to adjust the resistor ratio, must be considered to optimize high frequency PSSR. It took me some time to track down this issue when it significantly reduced the PSSR of an LDO using a layout extracted view of the block when compared to its schematic view based simulation.
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