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A question about IIP3 and P1dB
Aug 06th, 2014, 10:21pm
 
Generally, the IIP3 is about 10dB higher than P1dB value.

However, for the high power input, if the system has loss, (e.g., attenuator) can IIP3 is smaller than P1dB?

Could you provide the material which can explain it?

Thank you very much.
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Re: A question about IIP3 and P1dB
Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2014, 10:34pm
 
Hi,


The 10dB rule of thumb is only for "well behaved" systems where 3rd order nonlinearity dominates. Any order nonlinearity can result in gain compression, but I believe only odd order nonlinearity will result in IM3 products.

You can easily test this for yourself using any simulator...

Regarding whether IP3 can be smaller than P1dB, the answer is yes. For example, if you have both 2nd and third order nonlinearity, and one happens to cause gain expansion while the other causes gain compression, then you can probably push your P1dB higher than IP3 with the right values.


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Re: A question about IIP3 and P1dB
Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2014, 12:17am
 
Thank you very much Aaron, I got what you said.
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