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Can anyone give me more information on this amplifier structure?
Mar 10th, 2016, 11:18pm
 
I remember I saw this architecture once, but I forgot where it was.. Can anyone tell me what's this architecture for or where can I find more information on this architecture.

Thanks a lot
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2016, 3:03am
 
Common Architecture for Ring oscillator--where you interpolate delay (from min to max) by varying the fast and slow path strengths.

refer razavi book, he explained clearly::)
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2016, 8:57am
 
This actually is not an oscillator, it's an amplifier
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2016, 8:57am
 
This actually is not an oscillator, it's an amplifier.......
raja.cedt wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 3:03am:
Common Architecture for Ring oscillator--where you interpolate delay (from min to max) by varying the fast and slow path strengths.

refer razavi book, he explained clearly::)

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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2016, 10:03am
 
Perhaps you are looking for a feedforward compensated opamp(?)

You may find some details about the same here
http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~nagendra/papers/tcas2-wlanfilter-pap.pdf
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2016, 10:11am
 
what if I add another stage of amplifier at the output of the circuit?
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2016, 10:11am
 
what if I add another stage of amplifier at the output of the circuit?

ULPAnalog wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 10:03am:
Perhaps you are looking for a feedforward compensated opamp(?)

You may find some details about the same here
http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~nagendra/papers/tcas2-wlanfilter-pap.pdf

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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2016, 10:12am
 
what if I add another stage of amplifier at the output of the circuit?


raja.cedt wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 3:03am:
Common Architecture for Ring oscillator--where you interpolate delay (from min to max) by varying the fast and slow path strengths.

refer razavi book, he explained clearly::)

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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2016, 1:55pm
 
It totally depends on what you intend to do. In general adding additional gain stages to an amplifier intended to be operated in feedback requires careful considerations about stability.
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2016, 11:30pm
 
that is a feedforward system
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Reply #10 - Mar 23rd, 2016, 11:22pm
 
can this system be stable?
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Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2016, 11:22pm
 
loose-electron wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 11:30pm:
that is a feedforward system


Can this system be stable?
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Reply #12 - Mar 24th, 2016, 3:00am
 
Littlepotato wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016, 11:22pm:
loose-electron wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 11:30pm:
that is a feedforward system

Can this system be stable?


Why not? If there is no feedback, there will be no reason for instability.
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Reply #13 - Mar 24th, 2016, 6:23pm
 
buddypoor wrote on Mar 24th, 2016, 3:00am:
Littlepotato wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016, 11:22pm:
loose-electron wrote on Mar 11th, 2016, 11:30pm:
that is a feedforward system

Can this system be stable?


Why not? If there is no feedback, there will be no reason for instability.


Isn't this opamp going to be eventually used in some sort of feedback? If so why does the stability not matter?
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Reply #14 - Mar 27th, 2016, 3:14pm
 
As people have said, this looks like feedforward. Regarding stability, that is the purposes of the feedforward stage.

You have two OTAs in parallel. One uses multiple stages to provide high DC gain. Unfortunately the multiple stages will need to have limited bandwidth to achieve stability. Therefore  they put a high bandwidth single stage in parallel with it. Basically the multistage OTA acts like an open circuit at high frequency and all you have is the single stage.

I found another article from Thandri and Silva, JSSC, Feb 2003 http://amsc.tamu.edu/SIS/Publications/pub/jounal/2003_6.pdf

Feedforward is old but suffers from "doublets" which cause slow settling time. Achieving feedforward with parallel OTAs is relatively new and I don't know a lot about the drawbacks. Have any of you used this technique?
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