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Noise folding in mixer, but no penalty in chopper
Jun 17th, 2019, 11:15pm
 
Hello,

   When we do noise analysis for mixer, we can see the noise folding, and the noise figure is higher. But for chopper, we don't have any noise penalty. I wonder why one has the noise folding but another one doesn't have, and their principles are very similar. Thank you for any discussion.
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Reply #1 - Jun 18th, 2019, 2:42am
 
My thought is mixer focuses on down-conversion only when we talk about the noise analysis. But chopper has both, it has aliasing too, just be suppressed.
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2019, 4:35am
 
I think for a chopper the input is baseband with the chopping frequency much larger than the 1/f corner frequency. If the chopping frequency is set lower than the 1/f corner frequency, then the noise folded components start to appear. Intuitively, if the slowly varying noise is sampled and subtracted at a rate faster than the rate at which the noise itself varies, then the flicker noise is eliminated.
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Reply #3 - Jul 30th, 2019, 5:29am
 
Hello Kumar,

   Thank you for your reply. Yes, for the flicker noise, due to the bandwidth is too narrow, after chopping (fch >> fc) no noise spectrum overlapped. How about the thermal noise? Because in mixer we normally consider the thermal noise folding, not flicker noise. Also I think due to the frequency converting and the scaled amplitude of the harmonics and the limited bandwidth of the LPF, the contribution of noise folding is not big, so we can skip it.
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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2019, 6:41am
 
Chopping is mixing. The noise at multiple f_chop will be translated to DC output. In precision amps the offset and the 1/f noise poses a serious threat to the small signal to be sensed, but we have no such thing for an AC coupled RF mixer. Furthermore in chopped amps the bandwidth is limited therefore the high frequency noise is also filtered, and this filtered noise is folded back.
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