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How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Nov 12th, 2006, 7:48pm
 
For high slew rate of balanced OTA, but i can't incease the tail current(for quiscent current limit) or decrease the load capacitor(for load step response).

What should i do? Have some good modified balanced OTA?
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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2006, 9:29am
 
Hm...

Last I checked....

I = C dv/dt

Can't touch I and can't touch C?

and you want to improve dV/dt?

If you stay with an OTA you are probably stuck. I or C need to change.

If you are willing to consider some non-linear systems that force current when the differential pair are not equal in input (not steady state for a high gain feedback system) there are some ways of throwing extra current in while slewing. An op-amp which goes to a voltage mode output throws extra current out all the time to maintain the desired voltage when slewing.

Also, consider a class AB type OTA structure. More power efficient.

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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2006, 10:09pm
 
Hi edwintsu,

Jerry is correct.

Would you please explain why you can't decrease the load cap? Will the phase margin decrease? Will the settle become slow?


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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2006, 1:30am
 
Thank you , Jerry and Yawei!

If i decrease the load cap, the loop phase margin decrease.

The system load step response may produce malfunction, and lower the system efficieny.

Now i use alternative methods to reduce hysteresis voltage, need not improve the SR of balanced OTA.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2006, 1:50am
 
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If i decrease the load cap, the loop phase margin decrease.


Use Miller capacitor for phase margin correction.
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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2006, 11:51am
 
Also, look at the additive phases of all stages of the amplifier.

And - Can also drop gain of stages down a bit to maintain the same output capacitor.

Will 60db of open loop gain get it done instead of 90 db ? (Or whatever numbers are relative to what you are doing.)

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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2006, 2:49pm
 
Hi,

If you have access to IEEE, you can also find some simple circuit techniques for increasing the SR without increasing the quescent current. For example you can see:

S. Mehrmanesh, and et al., "A 1.5 v high-speed class AB operational amplifier for high-resolution high-speed pipelined A/D converters," ISCAS'03.




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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #7 - Nov 30th, 2006, 12:19pm
 

Jerry is correct, but it may be best to clarify.  It is the Gm of the diff pair that you want to change.  Changing the gain by lowering the output impedance won't give you the change you need.  

To lower the gm of the diff pair you need to use more overdrive or use some resistive degeneration.  Both eat up headroom.  If this is an issue use a separate tail current source for each diff pair "side," and put the degenerating resistance between the sources.  However, if you do this, be aware the noise from tail current sources is no longer a common mode signal.

Adaptive bias amplifiers also avoid slew rate limitations.
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Re: How to improve the SR of balanced OTA?
Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2007, 3:51am
 
To improve the SR, you can try to use CLASS AB INPUT Stage by using cross coupling. This will help to improve the OTA SR performance.

There is an example in Gray and Meyer regarding this.
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