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James Bond
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Frequency respond in the filter
Oct 19th, 2007, 12:24pm
 
Hi,

I met a strange problem recently. I built a 5 order chebyshev low pass filter with a 2db ripple in the passband. The opamp used in the filter is a fully differential op with open loop gain 58dB, 3dB bandwidth 220kHz. At 1.2MHz, it still has 45dB gain.

I test the filter with 1Vpp input swing, supply is 1.2V and sweep the input frequency from 10k to 1MHz, the cutoff frequency is 1.2MHz. The filter works fine with low frequency from 0-100KHz, however, the amplitude of the output signal is attenuated when the frequency increases from 200KHz and the attenuation is more than 3dB for some frequency. The transient simulation shows that at frequency around 300KHz, the signal is distorted very much even higher than higher frequency.  I could n't find the problem, does anybody know what might be the reason for this attenuation? Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you very much


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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2007, 4:59pm
 
Hi,

Did you check for slew rate conditions? you mentioned  some distortion showed up which might suggest some slew rate problems are present.

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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2007, 6:43pm
 
To James,
 According to your large input swing, the distortion and the extra attenuation may be introduced by the nonlinearity of the mos switch, if adopted.
Another reason might be the deviation of f-3dB which caused by the change of the effect resistance or capacitance.

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Reply #3 - Oct 20th, 2007, 2:45am
 
Hi,

I tried to sweep the small input signal with amplitude 50mVpk @600KHz, there is very few attenuation at the output this time. I think it might be that the THD is too high at high input swing (500mV @600khz, thd =1.4%), all my resistors and capacitors are ideal , so the values would be very accurate. Do you think it's the thd problem ?

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Reply #4 - Oct 23rd, 2007, 5:48am
 
Hello James B.

Which topology was chosen for your filter ?
Did you use a suitable opamp macro to simulate the response ?
What is the opamp slew rate ?
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Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2007, 6:24am
 
James,

  Could also provide more information about the filter structure. It sounds
like it is an active-RC filter which should have a large swing range. Is it
a gm-C filter architecture? Also how did you order the stages, that is, did
you consider the Q of the stage when placing it in the design?

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Re: Frequency respond in the filter
Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2007, 11:55am
 
Hi,

I have solved the problem, the signal is clipped in some of the stage that's why the thd is very bad.  

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