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noise_table function
Feb 07^th, 2008, 4:50pm

Hello everyone,

I am trying to simulate PLL phase-noise in phase-domain using verilog-AMS description of each block under SpectreRF (I perform AC and NOISE analysis with analog_environment). To include the output phase noise spectrum I am following Kundert's guide "Predicting the Phase Noise of PLL-Based Frequency Synthesizers" and I am using the noise_table function to give the values of phase-noise for discrete points in frequency.

My problem is that I would like to have a piecewise-linear interpolation of the points in the log-log plot as it is usual in phase-noise spectrum description (dBc/Hz vs log(freq)). Is there anyone knowing how to do that?

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Geoffrey_Coram Senior Fellow Offline Posts: 1999 Massachusetts, USA	Re: noise_table function Reply #1 - Feb 12^th, 2008, 6:40am Your request has already been brought up for the next version of the V-AMS standard.
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Christoph New Member Offline Posts: 3 Germany	Re: noise_table function Reply #2 - Feb 29^th, 2008, 6:50am Hi! I was trying to do a similar thing in a Verilog-AMS model for spectre. Unfortunately spectre did not seem to support arrays. Did someone managed to create an array of (constant) real values? Kind regards, Christoph
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Geoffrey_Coram Senior Fellow Offline Posts: 1999 Massachusetts, USA	Re: noise_table function Reply #3 - Feb 29^th, 2008, 12:57pm Are you using a current version of Spectre? I'm pretty sure it does support arrays. I have this in one of my modules ... I(a,b) <+ noise_table({10.0,5.0,100.0,6.0,1000.0,10.0,1.0G,6.0},"tabnoi");
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Marq Kole Senior Member Offline Hmmm. That's weird... Posts: 122 Eindhoven, The Netherlands	Re: noise_table function Reply #4 - Mar 19^th, 2008, 2:29pm Currently Spectre still does not support array parameters and it will give an error when trying to initialize such a parameter with an array literal. You will have to create a real array variable and assign it a value in an initial_step event if you want to use it that way. Cheers, Marq
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Geoffrey_Coram Senior Fellow Offline Posts: 1999 Massachusetts, USA	Re: noise_table function Reply #5 - Mar 20^th, 2008, 6:14am Marq - I recall some problem with using array variables for noise_table; are you sure spectre supports this?
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Re: noise_table function
Reply #6 - Oct 29^th, 2009, 10:10am

Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Feb 29^th, 2008, 12:57pm:

Are you using a current version of Spectre? I'm pretty sure it does support arrays.

I have this in one of my modules ...

I(a,b) <+ noise_table({10.0,5.0,100.0,6.0,1000.0,10.0,1.0G,6.0},"tabnoi");

Hi, Geoffery:

Is there any way that we put the table data in a file, then call it in the noise_table(function)?

I'm using verilogA in hspice.

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Neo

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Re: noise_table function
Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2009, 5:33am

Verilog-AMS LRM 2.3 added support for using a filename input for noise_table. I don't know how many simulators have implemented this as yet.

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When the input is a file name, the indicated file will contain the frequency / power pairs. The file name argument shall be constant and will be either a string literal or a string parameter. Each frequency / power pair shall be separated by a newline and the numbers in the pair shall be separated by one or more spaces or tabs. To increase the readability of the data file, comments may be inserted before or after any frequency / power pair. Comments begin with �#� and end with a newline. The input file shall be in text format only and the numbers shall be real or integer.

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Re: noise_table function
Reply #8 - Nov 2^nd, 2009, 6:02am

Geoffrey_Coram wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 5:33am:

Verilog-AMS LRM 2.3 added support for using a filename input for noise_table. I don't know how many simulators have implemented this as yet.

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When the input is a file name, the indicated file will contain the frequency / power pairs. The file name argument shall be constant and will be either a string literal or a string parameter. Each frequency / power pair shall be separated by a newline and the numbers in the pair shall be separated by one or more spaces or tabs. To increase the readability of the data file, comments may be inserted before or after any frequency / power pair. Comments begin with �#� and end with a newline. The input file shall be in text format only and the numbers shall be real or integer.

I think that's why I failed to do so in hspice. HSPICE doesn't support AMS extension yet.

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