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switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Mar 06th, 2008, 2:04am
 
Hi ,

 I am studing switch capacitor integrator. and I am curious about how to size the complementary switch.

the clock frequency is 12.5MHz.

is there any reference?

any help will be appreciated. thanks

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2008, 6:59am
 
Hi,

The on resistor of the switch, either a complementary switch or NOT, is in series with a capacitor (or a parasitic capacitor). Thus it introduces a zero. So try to minimize the on resistance and make the zero high enough so that it doesn't affect the response of the switched capacitory integrator. In other words, make the circuitry work as if the switch is ideal.

Normally the response should be decided by the opamp GWB, so make the zero much higher than the GBW.

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2008, 5:38pm
 
Hi,

 I know that the complementary switch on resistor is vary with the operation

region. Then how I can determine  the on resistance.

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2008, 10:56pm
 
Hi,

Sure the on-resistance of the switch varies with the input voltage. However, it doesn't varies in several orders. Smiley Just make the on-resistance low enough so that the variation cannot affect the transient/frequency response. In another word, make the largest on-resistance low enough.


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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #4 - Mar 10th, 2008, 4:31am
 
Hi min,

In other words, from what Yawei suggested...
Make the largest on resistance (which will depend on the switches input CM) low enough in order to guarantee the sampled signal will settle to its final value within the width of your clock pulse. This will guarantee negligible effects on the frequency domain too.

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #5 - Mar 14th, 2008, 10:59pm
 
you tend to play the switch size, and its worst case on resistance,
against the charge injection of the switch,
against the size of the capacitor.

three things interacting...

You need a big enough capacitor that second order effects of charge injection are negligible.  Large capacitor for a fixed switch size reduces noise effects due to charge injection.

If thermal noise is an issue, this introduces a fourth variable. Bigger capacitor make for a lower inherent noise in the system for the same pole placements, because large C means lower R (or lower I, depending on architecture) and thus differnet noise.

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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2008, 10:25pm
 
Hi:

 thanks for your reply. and I have thought another unstanding of making the switch size.

 I can use the capacitor transfering the electric charge to judge the size of the switch. that is I = c*V/tsettle. this current might be the average current. and I can calculate the maximum current. using the maximum current (switch in linear region) , I can set the switch size .

I am not sure about this. what do you think of this?

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2008, 5:06am
 
Hallo Min,

Is it your question, How to simulate(evaluate) the Resistane of a switch?

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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2008, 6:22am
 
Hi Mim,

Hmmm, I think you don't care about the maximum current spike through the switch. You only care
about the settling behavior.
I think that Yawai gave the right explanation:

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The on resistor of the switch, either a complementary switch or NOT, is in series with a capacitor (or a parasitic capacitor). Thus it introduces a zero. So try to minimize the on resistance and make the zero high enough so that it doesn't affect the response of the switched capacitory integrator. In other words, make the circuitry work as if the switch is ideal.  


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Re: switch sizing in switch capacitor circuit
Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2008, 6:27am
 
Hi min,

As for settling time I would just consider the Ron*C time constant of your switch-cap cap combination. Make sure the time the clock sets the switch ON is larger than at least 6-7 time constants so that the final value is reached with negligible errors.

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