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How to perform the PSS+PNOISE for a divider? (Read 3121 times)
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How to perform the PSS+PNOISE for a divider?
Jul 2nd, 2008, 8:41pm
 
Hi, Gentlemen,

I want to simulate the phase noise of a divider circuit, however, I'm a little confused with the PNOISE settings:

(i). How to set the output frequency range? The frequency supposed to be get after dividing?

(ii). The input frequency range? which is calculated by the simulator itself after setting the output frequency range. For example, suppose the divider ratio is 4, and the output frequency after dividing is 100M, I got the following message from the simulation log:
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Periodic Noise Analysis 'pnoise': freq = 100 MHz +  (1 KHz -> 1 MHz)
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Input frequency range = 400 MHz + (1 KHz -> 1 MHz).

Is it reasonable for the value "Input frequency range" calculated by the simulator? What does it mean in the divider??

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Re: How to perform the PSS+PNOISE for a divider?
Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2008, 5:44am
 
Show me netlists about PSS and Pnoise.

Tuc wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008, 8:41pm:
I want to simulate the phase noise of a divider circuit, however, I'm a little confused with the PNOISE settings:
(i). How to set the output frequency range? The frequency supposed to be get after dividing?

Output frequency of Pnoise is not divided since it is small signal.

Tuc wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008, 8:41pm:
(ii). The input frequency range? which is calculated by the simulator itself after setting the output frequency range. For example, suppose the divider ratio is 4, and the output frequency after dividing is 100M, I got the following message from the simulation log:
**********************************************************
Periodic Noise Analysis 'pnoise': freq = 100 MHz +  (1 KHz -> 1 MHz)
**********************************************************
Input frequency range = 400 MHz + (1 KHz -> 1 MHz).

Is it reasonable for the value "Input frequency range" calculated by the simulator? What does it mean in the divider??

Maybe you set iprobe and reference band in Pnoise. So it is very reasonable as input frequency.
You don't have to set iprobe and reference band in your case.

You can observe noise at freq=N*PSSfund+/-(1kHz~1MHz) with setting sweeptype=relative relharmnum=N in Pnoise.

http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1211952319/3#3
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Re: How to perform the PSS+PNOISE for a divider?
Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2008, 7:02pm
 
Thank you very much Pancho, you're right.

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