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Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Oct 10th, 2009, 5:33am
 
Why evryone prefer to design 6-bit flash ADC than 12 bit..Many applications requires 6 bit??..or we can design 12 bit using 6 bit flash ADC's.
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Re: Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2009, 9:57am
 
hi,
   i didn,t understand your question properly..but normally it's no use to do such a huge no of comparator ..where you can do 6 bit flash and use over sample technique to get 12 bit accurassy

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Re: Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Reply #2 - Oct 11th, 2009, 5:22am
 
Vinay,

  I agree with Raj, your question is hard to understand. Some things
to consider with flash ADCs
1) Adding a bit doubles complexity
2) Adding a bit doubles power
3) Adding a bit doubles the load the input buffer has to drive
   --> In addition, to flash ADC having high non-linear input cap
4) Adding a bit requires improving the matching by a factor of two.
   Practically, the yield for a 12 bit ADC would be very low.    

  --> Most literature puts the limit of matching at 10 bits, 1 part
        in 1000 for device characteristics that match well, for
        example, resistance

5) I have not worked through the numbers, but settling of the
   reference voltage would also be a big challenge.

   --> The reference resistor/input comparator is a highly non-linear
         transmission line. As the number of comparators increases
         settling time increases. The reference resistor can be tapped
         but then accurate tap voltages need to be generated.

6) The clock generator needs to trigger all the comparators at the
   same time or accuracy is degraded. The physically larger the
   ADC the more difficult this is to do.

   There techniques to reduce the impact of these effects. However,
the better solution is to adopt an  architecture more suited for the
application. Building a 12 bit flash ADC really is not even an
interesting science experiment. It would be slow, hard to use,
consume large amounts of power, ...    

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Re: Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2009, 7:07am
 
hi,
   i didn't find any 12 bit flash converter in literature. you can see all ADC state of art at a glance here
http://www.stanford.edu/~murmann/adcsurvey.html

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Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2009, 9:06pm
 
Thank you..
I mean to say in literature everyone preferred to design 6 bit ADC rather than 12 bit .So i thought of 2 reason for this..
Either 12 bit can be made rfom 6 bit ADC or practically 12 bit ADC's are not required..
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Re: Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Reply #5 - Oct 13th, 2009, 12:03am
 
VINAY RAO wrote on Oct 12th, 2009, 9:06pm:
Thank you..
I mean to say in literature everyone preferred to design 6 bit ADC rather than 12 bit .So i thought of 2 reason for this..
Either 12 bit can be made rfom 6 bit ADC or practically 12 bit ADC's are not required..


1. How would you make 12 bit flash ADCs practically? I cannot imagine any easy way that one could build these with or without an existing 6-bit flash ADC.

2. Flash ADCs are large, power hungry and hence very expensive when you start to crank up the resolution. They are hence limited to < 10 bits, mostly < 8 bits. Once you go higher, there are other better alternatives to flash.

3. Based on the above, is it a surprise that all publications list 6-8 bit flash ADCs. You could probably build a 12-bit flash if you were really desparate but that would simply be a waste of time and money and you wouldn't manage to get it published anywhere.

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Reply #6 - Oct 13th, 2009, 7:23am
 
ya that is true,i didnt think in that way..
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Re: Between 6bit-12bit ADC:why 12 bit flash ADC is unpopular than 6 bit:?
Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 6:59pm
 
an 8 bit flash converter defines 255 states and requires 255 comparators. 10 bits, are 1023 states and 1023 comparators

12 bits is 4095 states and a whole heap of comparators.

Net result:
1. Big
2. Glows in the dark (lots of power)
3. Lots of capacitance on the input due to all the comparators connected.
4. Not practical - see 1,2,3


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