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Ring osc start up
Feb 16th, 2010, 5:28pm
 
Hi,
Im designing 4 stage ring oscillator. Each delay cell consists of 2 cross-coupled inverters.
It can oscillate in any corners but the time to start oscillation is uncertain. I believe this has annoyed not only me, so can you suggest me to get this oscillate properly on start-up?

Assumption; current starved type ring oscillator, enable signal is on much earlier than current is actually supplied.
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2010, 7:10pm
 
jugemu1234 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010, 5:28pm:
Assumption; current starved type ring oscillator, enable signal is on much earlier than current is actually supplied.


Hi,

I think the problem is the enable signal is on earlier than the bias current.
You should change the generation of the enabling signal based on the bias current you use for suppling the oscillator.

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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2010, 7:22pm
 
Hi,

I understand your point. But nonetheless, it does not assure it oscillates right after specific time point, does it? If it becomes like inp=inn=op=on=..., which is so rare but possible, it might to take uncertain time to oscillate.
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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2010, 11:48pm
 
Is this not just a simulation problem? If you have enough gain in your delay stages then oscillation will always start due to noise and mismatch. In simulation however, this is not always the case. Do you use initial conditions to ensure that oscillation starts in simulations?

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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2010, 11:56pm
 
Hi,

In simulation, yes, I can observe oscillation no mater what. As you pointed out, some fluctuation was amplified.
However, what I think problematic is it depends on something unpredictable, somethign uncertain.  For example, ss process at -40, gain becomes small enough probably.

Therefore, I think its better to have sort of start up to provide the seed of oscillation to ensure it oscillates in certain time.

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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2010, 2:03pm
 
If you really want this - do a set of switches that forces one stage inputs to opposite states -

generally its not needed, but if it gives you better feelings about it on power up, go for it.
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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2010, 6:08am
 
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If you really want this - do a set of switches that forces one stage inputs to opposite states -

generally its not needed, but if it gives you better feelings about it on power up, go for it.

In some chips at 40nm & below, silicon results showed that oscillation on internal oscillator nodes die down too slowly sometimes.
Hence, I generally do that in all oscillators, but i power down all nodes to GND.
That works too, because cross-coupled inverters force opposite movements on psuedo-differential nodes at power-up.

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