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Re: Class B RF Power Amplifier ,IIP3/OIP3 Spectre
Reply #45 - Jun 30th, 2010, 6:18am
 
thats the problem i cant get around with..
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Reply #46 - Jun 30th, 2010, 6:22am
 
purplewolf wrote on Jun 30th, 2010, 6:18am:
thats the problem i cant get around with..

(1) Use "analogLib/iprobe" instead of saving pin current of drain of M1.
As far as my memory is correct, saving pin currrent can't work in HB analysis of Cadence Spectre.
So try to use Shooting-Newton-PSS not HB-PSS.
If you use Shooting-Newton-PSS, you can save pin current.

(2) Don't use Direct Plot. Use Result Browser.

The followings are general notes for you.

- Always describe correct tool's name and vendor's name which you use as tool or simulator.
- Don't do multiple posts which are same content.
- Don't request source code or behavioral model without any efforts.
- There are many simulators which have analyses called as PSS, PAC and Pnoise.
- Describe in detail with using correct terminologies.
- Warnigns are different from Errors.
- ADS is not name of simulator.
- There is no tool which name is Cadence.
- Don't use Direct Plot of Cadence ADE blindly without knowing definition.
- All gains in Direct Plot of Cadence ADE are "right", "true" and "practical" voltage gain.
- Don't mix up Simulation with Post Processing. They are completely different phase.
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Re: Class B RF Power Amplifier ,IIP3/OIP3 Spectre
Reply #47 - Jul 1st, 2010, 3:11am
 

- Don't use Direct Plot of Cadence ADE blindly without knowing definition.
- All gains in Direct Plot of Cadence ADE are "right", "true" and "practical" voltage gain.

I dont get these points exactly..

I have managed to get current waveform through that is like my transient waveform by putting current probe but its flipped...you can have a look..my transient and pss are same.
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Reply #48 - Jul 1st, 2010, 4:35am
 
purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:11am:
I have managed to get current waveform through that is like my transient waveform by putting current probe but its flipped...
What do you mean ?

purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:11am:
you can have a look..my transient and pss are same.
But your plot for current is not a result using "analogLib/iprobe".

Is your plot result Shooting-Newton-PSS ?

purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:11am:
- Don't use Direct Plot of Cadence ADE blindly without knowing definition.
- All gains in Direct Plot of Cadence ADE are "right", "true" and "practical" voltage gain.

I dont get these points exactly..
See the followings.
http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1237656418
http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236837379/4#4
http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1272508752/1#1

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Reply #49 - Jul 1st, 2010, 6:01am
 
i mean  that the plots via transient and HB-PSS,SN-PSS are the same...
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Reply #50 - Jul 1st, 2010, 6:07am
 
purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 6:01am:
i mean  that the plots via transient and HB-PSS,SN-PSS are the same...
I don't think time waveform for current from HB-PSS is completely same as Shooting-Newton-PSS or Transient Analysis since your HB order is nine regardless of "oversamplefactor=3".

purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 3:11am:
I have managed to get current waveform through that is like my transient waveform by putting current probe but its flipped...
What do you mean ?

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Reply #51 - Jul 1st, 2010, 6:24am
 
flipped... current wave shape is exactly the same as in transient except its rotated about axis or multiplied by -1.
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Reply #52 - Jul 1st, 2010, 6:39am
 
purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 6:24am:
flipped... current wave shape is exactly the same as in transient
No, it can't be exactly same.
It is very difficult to compare time waveforms between PSS and Transient analyses since its initial phases are different between them.
If you compare them with completely same initial phases, you can observe clear difference between them.
But from practical point of view, you can ignore such small difference.

purplewolf wrote on Jul 1st, 2010, 6:24am:
except its rotated about axis or multiplied by -1.
You don't have to do such thing, if you save both "Plus" and "Minus" pins of "analogLib/iprobe" or take care of direction of "analogLib/iprobe".

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Reply #53 - Jul 6th, 2010, 4:13am
 
million thanks for your help!
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