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three questions need your help
Sep 28th, 2010, 5:27am
 
1, for ac noise simulation of opamp (single-ended and fully differential), which frequency bandwidth should be used? i usually use frequency from 0Hz to GBW Hz to calculate the integration noise and then average it, and the noise unit is V^2/Hz or V/sqrt(Hz), is that OK? or any other advice?
besides, how to simulate the transcient noise for opamp? for example: sc circuit.

2, in pcb board, for a wire of 2cm long, what is its equivalent capacitance and resistance? someone tells me, the resistance can be very small, less than 0.1 ohm, because the wire can be thick enough, that is, the cross area can be large enough, then the resistance can be very small. however, for a thick wire in pcb board, the capacitance may be large, so, i want to know, what is the capacitance of a 2cm long wire, if its resistance is less than 1 ohm? can it be 1pF~3pF? or larger? or smaller? please give me some advice.

3, what is the pad capacitance in 0.18 um process in general? someone says, it is about 4pF, but for our chip, we tested the pin capacitance,and it is in the range of 9pF ~ 12pF, it is so big, is it usual? the chip package type is PGA.
besides, what is the relationship between pad capacitance and package type?
which package type has a smaller pad capacitance? and what is the pad capacitance for LCC package type in 0.18 um process? can it be smaller than the PGA package type? please help me, and explain to me more about this.

thanks all for reply, thanks all.
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Re: three questions need your help
Reply #1 - Sep 28th, 2010, 6:52am
 
With regard to item #1,

1) You probably should use a wider bandwidth. Assuming a one pole
    roll-off, then the equivalent noise bandwidth is (pi/2)*gbw
    so noise at higher frequencies, even at 10*gbw can contribute
    to the total noise of the amplifier

    Not sure why you average the noise. Seems like you should
    provide the total integrated noise and noise spectral density
    Averaging can be deceptive if there is a significant amount of
    1/f noise.


    a switched-capacitor circuit is not an amplifier so not sure what
    the question is

   --> Why simulate the transient noise of an op amp if can can
         simulate it with the small signal noise?

   --> For Switched Capacitor circuit, use periodic noise analysis

   --> If the op-amp is a dynamic circuit, for example, switched
         capacitor common feedback, then use pnoise
         
                                                          Best Regards,

                                                             Sheldon
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