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Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Dec 21st, 2011, 9:42pm
 
Hi Guys,

I need to design Very low noise 8 bit DAC which should have integrated noise less than 50 uV. It is voltage DAC with 1 MHz BW. I do not want to use Current steering topology which will again need I/V Amp which would add more noise.

Please, suggest me architecture.

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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2011, 11:17pm
 
hello,
are you sure? because the moment you say 8 bit integrated noise will be fixed.

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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2011, 1:52am
 
in fact capacitor charger based dac is voltage dac, but finally you need an opamp i guess otherwise you need to find some thing to buffer it out.
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2011, 4:03am
 
your quantization noise at 8 bit and 1 V full scale amplitude
is bigger than your noise specifiied. Does not make sense.
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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2011, 11:12am
 
loose-electron wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011, 4:03am:
your quantization noise at 8 bit and 1 V full scale amplitude
is bigger than your noise specifiied. Does not make sense.


I'm guessing it is a reference bias with trim to manage for process and DES* corners.

Integrated noise is going to be limited by how much filtering you can have, so I think the best approach would be the simplest: an 8 bit tapped resistor dividing down a reference voltage and feeding an RC low pass filter.

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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #5 - Dec 23rd, 2011, 12:17am
 
loose-electron wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011, 4:03am:
your quantization noise at 8 bit and 1 V full scale amplitude
is bigger than your noise specifiied. Does not make sense.


Sure it makes sense. If it is a DC setting, you won't have quantization noise. Wink I would suggest placing a large capacitance at the output.
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Reply #6 - Dec 24th, 2011, 4:01pm
 
hello lex,
what do you mean by dc setting?

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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #7 - Dec 25th, 2011, 4:07pm
 
"it is a voltage DAC with 1MHz BW"

That does not sound like an set and forget DAC...
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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #8 - Dec 25th, 2011, 5:30pm
 
I like RobG's solution. Easy to implement.  -- Yawei
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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #9 - Dec 25th, 2011, 8:48pm
 
loose-electron wrote on Dec 25th, 2011, 4:07pm:
"it is a voltage DAC with 1MHz BW"

That does not sound like an set and forget DAC...

Yeah I missed that, but I think the solution is the same. Integrated noise power is kT/C = (50uV)^2, so the only thing left to determine is the R for the filter. I get 1.6pF for the cap and 96k for the resistor at room temp, but would use as large a cap as I could afford and lower the resistance accordingly.

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Re: Low Noise 8 Bit DAC
Reply #10 - Dec 26th, 2011, 12:53pm
 
No follow up from the OP, so no clarification on what they wanted.
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