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Super-source follower (noise analysis)
Nov 05th, 2012, 6:00am
 
Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone here could point me to any good references for the (low to high frequency band) noise analysis of a super-source follower ? I am using a super-source follower as the input or reference stage of a current-mirror and was trying to figure out the simplest way to characterize its noise performance from DC to sub-GHz frequency ranges.

Any comments or inputs are greatly appreciated!

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Re: Super-source follower (noise analysis)
Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2012, 1:09pm
 
need to define what a "super" source follower is...
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Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2012, 4:27am
 
hi Jerry,

The concept is simple and uses negative feedback on a transistor to reduce its output impedance to the a small factor of the inverse of feedback trans-conductance. I found this link that might explain the circuit in some more detail -http://users.ece.gatech.edu/pallen/Academic/ECE_6412/Spring_2004/L290-ReturnRati... (ref. page 6).

This finds typical use in LDO's but I am trying to use this in the reference stage of simple current mirriror.. and then analyse its noise performance at DC to some hundreds-of-megahertz. Any suggestions?

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Re: Super-source follower (noise analysis)
Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2012, 5:15am
 
hello,
this analysis is much simpler, just two transistors and two nodes, so you can easily setup o/p noise equation and use std noise integrals to find the resultant. Intuitively now main transistor noise will be circulated around the transistor which is not the case in simple source follower and feedback transistor  noise comes directly into the o/p. Try this if not tel me i can derive full expression.

By the way why you need such source follower in LDO, up to me it gives nothing from o/p impedance point of view (i mean you could use higher gain opamp to get lower impedance) in addition it gives extra poles. Please point out any LDO reference.

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Re: Super-source follower (noise analysis)
Reply #4 - Nov 9th, 2012, 11:03am
 
hi Raja,

Thanks for your inputs. I will need to dig into the LDO references but I remember several papers on this. I will have to come back to you on this.

I am in fact not using this for my LDO, but rather as an input stage for a current mirror operating from DC to several 100's of MHz. I use the low impedance of the super-source follower as the input, so in effect, I am trying to calculate the noise performance referred back to the Base, as a voltage noise source (in series with the Base of the main transistor)! The schematic is exactly as in the link I mentioned above.

Do you think you could share your derivations here? That would be interesting.

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Re: Super-source follower (noise analysis)
Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2012, 3:56pm
 
A high BW current source that is fussy on noise performance?
That's a bit of a contradiction, generally any current source tends to be noisy.

Not having worked with the circuit before, I don't have an answer in my head.
Go back to first principles -If you want to do an analysis, I would simplify
it with small signal models and see what you get.
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