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XTAL for 32kHz operation
Feb 04th, 2013, 10:24am
 
Hello

We have had a customer usig 32kHz crystal with our designed oscillator which was pierce topology.

What we are told, is that if the metal lid of teh crystal is left floating teh system is very sensitive to Charge accumulation of 2kV using balloon charged by rubbing.

If the metal lid is grounded the problem goes away.

Does anyone know if this phenomenon is expected that the crystal parameters change due to 2kV charge ?

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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2013, 6:36pm
 
ROFL!  LMAO!

Ok, I've fielded hundreds of crystal questions.  None this funny.

Balloon?!  Is that a scientifically repeatable condition?  
ISO calibrated lab ?

Try thinking in terms of ESD rather than xtal parameters, for charge accumulation.

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2013, 6:38pm
 
Hello Wave,

Let me give you a bit more details. The system being body worn, the person wearing it noted that while jogging or running with poly-ester shirt, the time base moved few second in 5mins time span.

In the lab, the way to replicate was using a balloon rubbed and checkd for static chagre of 2kV.

Any ideas, or still hard to believe, eh?

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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2013, 6:45pm
 
you are probably crashing something due to ESD event

The crystal will run at its frequency, however what you are describing can mess up everything attached to the the crystal.
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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2013, 5:44am
 
Grounding the casing of the crystal seems to fix the issue, so wonder is groundign the casing a standard practice or leaving it floating.


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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2013, 7:29pm
 
Funny.

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Grounding the casing of the crystal seems to fix the issue,


How do you ground the case of the crystal?


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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2013, 6:42am
 
ic_engr wrote on Feb 4th, 2013, 10:24am:
Hello

We have had a customer usig 32kHz crystal with our designed oscillator which was pierce topology.

What we are told, is that if the metal lid of teh crystal is left floating teh system is very sensitive to Charge accumulation of 2kV using balloon charged by rubbing.

If the metal lid is grounded the problem goes away.

Does anyone know if this phenomenon is expected that the crystal parameters change due to 2kV charge ?

Regards

ic_engr


Doesn't sound odd to me. The vibrating crystal is converting mechanical resonance into an electric resonance by piezoelectric properties. Since it is made of piezoelectric material, a large voltage can have mechanical effects, which on their turn change the frequency. Over time it can cause damage in the crystal, affecting reliability. So I guess you should do something about it. Wink
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Re: XTAL for 32kHz operation
Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:29pm
 
Maybe the ESD event is shutting down the amp so the time you lose is the amount of time it takes to restart? Or maybe causing some chatter if you are gaining time.

It also doesn't take a lot of leakage to debias the amp...
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